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Old 08-25-2017, 06:06 PM   #16
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Racism is a matter of power. If a black person in 1824 who was a slave said that white people are terrible do you believe that it is anywhere near the magnitude of a white person in that same era calling that slave the N-word?
So, when white people become the minority, THEN it is okay for them to be racist?
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Old 08-25-2017, 06:20 PM   #17
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You, a white male, don't get to say "I've never been the victim of oppression" and then dismiss the existence of white privilege.
Diemen, with all due respect - your argument is basically guilty of the Genetic Fallacy.

You are stating that I cannot speak on this subject because of my genetic/ethnic origin.
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My skin color should not determine whether or not I have an equal voice in this country.


Would someone who has never served be able to speak to about serving for this country?
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Agree! Now we can end the discussion about systemic white oppression and inherent white privilege. If there is no white system, then none of these other "built-in" things are possible.



You said you've lived your life free of oppression.

Do you think a non-white person would say the same?

That's white privilege.
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Old 08-25-2017, 07:08 PM   #20
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Would someone who has never served be able to speak to about serving for this country?
Would someone who has never suffered under Nazi Germany be able to speak out against Nazi Germany? Of course.

I can certainly speak out against racism without being a direct victim or racism. Trying to fix racism with racism is certainly not the answer.
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You said you've lived your life free of oppression.

Do you think a non-white person would say the same?

That's white privilege.
I think there are many non-whites that would claim they are not being oppressed. Also - if America was so oppressive to non-whites, then why do they keep flooding into here? I personally wouldn't move to a country with a built-in system that would oppress me and my family...
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I think there are many non-whites that would claim they are not being oppressed. Also - if America was so oppressive to non-whites, then why do they keep flooding into here? I personally wouldn't move to a country with a built-in system that would oppress me and my family...


Oppression doesn't have to come always in a daily form and fashion.

But to answer your question, it's probably our parades.
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Oppression doesn't have to come always in a daily form and fashion.

But to answer your question, it's probably our parades.


I walked into that...
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So, when white people become the minority, THEN it is okay for them to be racist?


Once again, racism is a matter of power. When a race has the power to systemically oppress another race, that is what racism is. When a race has the power to back up its racial slurs with systems and institutions that are designed to discriminate and oppress, that is what racism is.
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Looks like Trump is going full "white power" as east Texas is about to become a disaster area and dominate the news.
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Trump pardons Arpaio, land of law and order.
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i'm legit the only one who notices when these threads go over 1000 anymore. diemen even posted like 5 times after the post limit
LOL, yeah, that didn't even hit me until after my last post in the previous thread, either .
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Diemen, with all due respect - your argument is basically guilty of the Genetic Fallacy.



You are stating that I cannot speak on this subject because of my genetic/ethnic origin.


No, I'm stating that you have a GIGANTIC blind spot when it comes to recognizing the privilege it takes to state that you have never faced oppression and yet deny the existence of white privilege.
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No, I'm stating that you have a GIGANTIC blind spot when it comes to recognizing the privilege it takes to state that you have never faced oppression and yet deny the existence of white privilege.
Would you believe ANY American white man if they say they have been oppressed? I'm guessing no. So whether I admit to being oppressed or not is of zero consequence, so why even ask?

Either way - I am expected to accept this thing called white privilege that I cannot possible see or experience or measure. I can only accept what others say about it.

If it cannot be objectively measured and discussed, then people can attach anything they want to it. Do you not see the danger in that? And how do we end this invisible force? What is the measure that we will declare victory? How could white people know the end of this so-called white privilege, if they don't even know it exists? That things are suddenly very shitty for them? How is that okay?

I would rather it be shitty for no race. Enforce the laws. No double standards. That is what gives stability to society. This is both measurable and practical.
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Once again, racism is a matter of power. When a race has the power to systemically oppress another race, that is what racism is. When a race has the power to back up its racial slurs with systems and institutions that are designed to discriminate and oppress, that is what racism is.
rac·ism
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noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

- the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

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