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Old 08-31-2017, 10:32 AM   #211
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You're not so bad, Vlad.
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They are not the same. I was wondering if you didn't get that or if you were just a liar.
So if Trump calls the wall a "fence" - and the US pays for this fence - then you are okay with it?
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Shall we tally up all the incidents of white supremacist violence against minorities? Do you really think that antifa even comes anywhere close?
Recent or past? And what is your definition of a white supremacist? Anyone who voted for Trump?

If I tossed antifa into the larger group we call the Left, which would include Bolsheviks, then it is a no brainer - since the Left murdered over 100 million people since 1917.
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I'm sure AEON thought that Nelson Mandela and his supporters were terrorists like antifa. After all, they were violent. And there was violence on BOTH SIDES.

With respect to the wall, I don't understand, AEON, why you'd make an idiot of yourself contorting into a pretzel arguing on behalf of a piece of shit like Trump. Really quite bizarre.
I wonder how peaceful and loving South Africa is these days...
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Recent or past? And what is your definition of a white supremacist? Anyone who voted for Trump?

If I tossed antifa into the larger group we call the Left, which would include Bolsheviks, then it is a no brainer - since the Left murdered over 100 million people since 1917.
Why would you do that? I don't think anyone in here is tossing white supremacists and neo-Nazis in with "the right". Stop brushing people who lean one way with the same brush.
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Indeed, that's exactly why they exist. Antifa aim to protect the vulnerable from those who seek to harm them.
Isn't that the same reason the Klan claims to exist? And like the Klan, these "noble" protectors need to hide their faces...
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So if Trump calls the wall a "fence" - and the US pays for this fence - then you are okay with it?


Still contorting...
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Why would you do that? I don't think anyone in here is tossing white supremacists and neo-Nazis in with "the right". Stop brushing people who lean one way with the same brush.
That's exactly my point. Antifa attacked Trump supporters for wearing MAGA hats. They attacked a campus for hosting Milo (a gay Jewish man - not your garden variety Nazi). You say that antifa only exists to wipe out this bucket of so-called neo-nazis, and then dump anybody that doesn't agree with you (or votes conservative) into that bucket.

About 63 million US citizens voted for Trump - are they all racists? Are they all deserving of whatever violence antifa seems necessary to protect the non-Trump voters?

I fail to see how antifa is not the Left's modern equivalent of the Klan.
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Still contorting...
How so? Did Bill Clinton not expand the wall/fence? Did Hillary Clinton not support the wall/fence as a senator and then as a presidential candidate? Are you suggesting that these candidates did not support securing our border with Mexico with physical "barriers"?

Also, please review these clips again and point out where these two equate border security with racism:



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How so? Did Bill Clinton not expand the wall/fence? Did Hillary Clinton not support the wall/fence as a senator and then as a presidential candidate? Are you suggesting that these candidates did not support securing our border with Mexico with physical "barriers"



Also, please review these clips again and point out where these two equate border security with racism:









Border security does not equal racism.

No one has ever made that claim. You're dancing with a strawman.

Building a wall, and building your campaign around a wall doesn't make you a racist, it makes you an idiot. It shows you don't understand the issue. Chanting "build that wall" makes you even a bigger idiot and shows you know even less about the issue.

Using people's fear and building fear of brown people is racist. Throwing all Mexicans into one basket regardless if citizen or not is racist.

Your attempt at equivalency is sad.
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They are only a problem for those who are/wish to protect fascists.
Hi Vlad, when you have a moment, I'm still waiting on your clear definition of "fascist." This is important since you're advocating violence against them...
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Border security does not equal racism.
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No one has ever made that claim. You're dancing with a strawman.
Disagree. Many people, especially college kids (antifa recruiting ground) have equated securing the border with Mexico as racist.





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Building a wall, and building your campaign around a wall doesn't make you a racist, -.
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Using people's fear and building fear of brown people is racist.
What are brown people? Who fears these brown people?(it's not your normal option on a job application). Are Mexicans "brown people" now?

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Throwing all Mexicans into one basket regardless if citizen or not is racist.
Agreed. Who is doing that?

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Your attempt at equivalency is sad.
Attempted? Nothing but net...

And yes, it is sad to see so many claim that conservatives are racists for supporting the very same (and very reasonable) policies that both Clintons fervently endorsed and funded.
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I wonder how peaceful and loving South Africa is these days...
So Nelson Mandela was a terrorist like antifa?
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I fail to see how antifa is not the Left's modern equivalent of the Klan.
Sweet merciful Jesus.

You ACTUALLY HAVE THE KLAN. You know, voting for your guy and saying that he is "fulfilling the promise."
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AEON, I'm half Mexican and have been told to go back to Mexico just because of the color of my skin. Funny, they don't tell me to go back to Scotland or Sweden, just Mexico. It is racism.
Trump began his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists, saying Mexico doesn't send it's best. He directly insulted MY Family who crossed to make a better life for themselves.
His election has brought white supremacy back into the mainstream. This is ALL because a segment of the US population is threatened that the minorities they have been oppressing since the founding of this country are standing up for themselves. They are threatened because these minorities are now demanding to be treated equally.

I get it, you're a white man. You have never had to live with people assuming you're the maid or nanny because of the color of your skin. You've never had to fear for your life when stopped by a police officer just because of the color of your skin. You've never been denied a job because your name doesn't sound white. You've never been denied a promotion because of your gender. But you cannot deny that this happens with regularity in the US.
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