US Politics

[BEAL]

And how wouldn't his lawyers be aware of this? Or how wouldn't they be able to stop him?

No doubt trump would run head first into testifying without thinking of every angle.

His lawyers....

But then his lawyer doesn't know how to spell

 

[Pearl]

Serious words from a trump supporter today.....

"Everything good that Comey said about Trump he was telling the truth. Everything negative he said About trump is a lie".

Yes these people exist, and there are plenty of them!

And then there are people like Paul Ryan.......

No wonder we are in such a fucked up mess...

I was watching Erin Burnett on CNN, and she had one panel that including a young Trump campaign worker (don't remember the exact position), who said not only said that Comey is a liar, but that he is trying to destroy Trump and get him impeached. Nevermind that Comey has had a good reputation in DC for many years as an honest person.

Unbelievable. I really would like to know what terrifies these people. What are they so afraid of? Do they hate liberalism/progressiveness that much? If so, why? What's so bad about it? My theory is that these people grew up during the Cold War, or have parents who remember the Cold War and the fear of communism spreading, and how communism was the enemy. And socialism is akin to communism in their eyes (when it isn't), and liberalism is another word for socialism, and so on...

I don't know. That's my theory. I get that from listening to my family members through the years, and maybe there's an element of truth to it.

 

[zuma]

You'd think if communism was a worry somewhere in the back of people's minds, they'd be somewhat worried by all the Russia allegations.

Personally I think it's much simpler and mostly the old my team vs your team mentality and pretty much only reading headlines or listening to Fox soundbites. I had a chat with a trumpster in my family and he said that he's going to support him as long as he's doing well. I asked what he's actually done well so far. His reply, and I quote, 'Unemployment is the lowest ever, 100s of thousands of jobs have been created, big business are staying here, even Apple is investing over 1 billion dollars for a company here in America. That's just a few.'

I mean you simply cannot reason with the clueless.

 

[dazzledbylight]

agree - automated jobs aren't ever coming back... we need to find a solution somehow... here, there has been talk on taxing robots, to make up for the lost tax revenue from workers' social contributions... we need to readjust to the times... guess this has been happening since the industrial revolution... in my village alone, thirty-forty years ago a single farm used to support 6 families, there used to be 4 cafes, a full school, shops, two farriers, but now the school is closed, there are no cafes or shops (or farriers lol), three-quarters of the houses are empty, or holiday homes just used a few weeks a year, and the farm has only one farmer and his machines...

Oh, that's so sad. Any way to lure some young people who'd be interested in small, medium independent farming? This has happened in the USA. Or has the surrounding lands been too developed?

I was in a small village (a paid for vacation) last Sept in Switzerland. There were miles and miles of lovely farmland, and vineyards.
And when we (paid for) to Paris by eurorail got see eastern France's farmlands as well.

I'm a city gal, but I appreciate farmers, and ranchers. Studied organic gardening back in the 80's on my own.

 

[dazzledbylight]

PhilsFan did you ever read my post correcting what was a messed up post on FDR's Economic Bikl of Rights because my tablet battery ran as I was sending the post (cut off last part)?
I'd give you the post# but "search this thread" isn't working for me.

Pearl Oh I grew during the second 2/3rd's of the Cold War. Back then socialism ='d Communism.

But over the decades I learned the differences and have respect for democratic socialism.
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And it was yet another round of disgust and shock w donnie's tweets on Iran and the London Mayor. Arrrrrrrrgggggg!!!

 

[Irvine511]

I've been at an anti-Trump/pro-LGBT protest all morning.

Liberals are just better at spelling.

 

[dazzledbylight]

Among other things

Hope it was decent weather we started a 3 day heat wave, but the humidity kicks in tomorrow dry now, pretty sky & a nice breeze.
I'm on my 2nd (and unexpected) WiFi bus!

 

[Pearl]

You'd think if communism was a worry somewhere in the back of people's minds, they'd be somewhat worried by all the Russia allegations.

Pearl Oh I grew during the second 2/3rd's of the Cold War. Back then socialism ='d Communism.

Perhaps, but it could explain why many thought Obama was a communist, and he was going to create a Brown Shirt army to become a dictator. The election of Trump was a backlash against Obama. The hatred for all things progressive/liberal is so astonishing, that I could only think that it is linked, somehow, to the Red Scare and the Cold War.

As for Russia today, some conservatives admire Russia and Putin. They see him as a tough guy, and not "weak" like Obama. They also like Russia for its anti-gay stance. Pat Buchanan certainly does, seeing it as the most Christian nation because of its homophobia.

 

[nbelcik]

It's funny they admire Putin for being tough and authoritarian and called Obama weak. If Obama did half the things Putin did the right wing would have rightly called him a dictator.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

It's funny they admire Putin for being tough and authoritarian and called Obama weak. If Obama did half the things Putin did the right wing would have rightly called him a dictator.

They love calling Obama a fascist, too. Which is weird.

 

[dazzledbylight]

Pearl
For some older people the Cold War/Communism memories might echo.

Between those hated him because he is black and (then) President, and those who hated his sometimes liberal, even center positions that was whole lot of nastiness to experience!

 

[BVS]

It's funny they admire Putin for being tough and authoritarian and called Obama weak. If Obama did half the things Putin did the right wing would have rightly called him a dictator.

The truth is, this has nothing to do with democracy, conservative values, the constitution, or anything else they scream out.

This has everything to do with restoring that America where white men were dominant. Period. They don't care anymore the means, they just care about the result. It's why Trump is so bulletproof.

Ironhorse is defending fascism on Facebook, the right are making big efforts to normalize all of this.

Even the female Trump supporters are misogynistic assholes:


This was just yesterday.

This is about restoring that false reality of the 50s, where women and blacks knew their place, where fags were in the closet and trannies didn't even exist, science was just something fun but it didn't dictate our way of life, where you can just say it like it is.

When you are THIS desperate to live a vision that never really existed, you WILL embrace any means to get there. That is what this is, make no mistake. There is no reasoning with them anymore.

 

[Pearl]

I'm pretty sure Ann Coulter is just a troll. Or at least, I hope she is.

 

[BVS]

I'm pretty sure Ann Coulter is just a troll. Or at least, I hope she is.

Troll or not, this is a view shared by many Trumpican women.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Troll or not, this is a view shared by many Trumpican women.

By many women in general. It's evidence enough that feminism shouldn't be fought alone.

 

[nbelcik]

The truth is, this has nothing to do with democracy, conservative values, the constitution, or anything else they scream out.

This has everything to do with restoring that America where white men were dominant. Period. They don't care anymore the means, they just care about the result. It's why Trump is so bulletproof.

Ironhorse is defending fascism on Facebook, the right are making big efforts to normalize all of this.

Even the female Trump supporters are misogynistic assholes:

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This was just yesterday.

This is about restoring that false reality of the 50s, where women and blacks knew their place, where fags were in the closet and trannies didn't even exist, science was just something fun but it didn't dictate our way of life, where you can just say it like it is.

When you are THIS desperate to live a vision that never really existed, you WILL embrace any means to get there. That is what this is, make no mistake. There is no reasoning with them anymore.

I 100% agree with everything in this post. It's about race and gender. Racism was what caused Trump's victory.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Ironhorse is defending fascism on Facebook, the right are making big efforts to normalize all of this.

No surprises there, if you scratch a libertarian of his ilk, you unveil a fascist.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

No surprises there, if you scratch a libertarian of his ilk, you unveil a fascist.

What an incredibly unfair statement.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

What an incredibly unfair statement.

I didn't think you identified as a right-wing libertarian? In any case, I'm not too surprised that you responded to it - and partly why 'of his ilk' was included.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I didn't think you identified as a right-wing libertarian? In any case, I'm not too surprised that you responded to it - and partly why 'of his ilk' was included.

Who cares what I "identify" as. There's a difference between being something and identifying as something. We've been over this before - being "economically libertarian and socially conservative" is called being a republican. He's not a libertarian.

And I have no idea if you're intending to insult me or not. If so, save it for another day, please.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

I wasn't intending to insult you, I did intend to have a dig at iron horse's brand of libertarianism however.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

For the record, I don't see myself as libertarian, but as sympathetic to the real standing. I'm socially liberal, but economically I am "open to ideas." I'm not convinced one is inherently always more correct than the other, as with my societal views.

 

[mama cass]

Oh, that's so sad. Any way to lure some young people who'd be interested in small, medium independent farming? This has happened in the USA. Or has the surrounding lands been too developed?

I was in a small village (a paid for vacation) last Sept in Switzerland. There were miles and miles of lovely farmland, and vineyards.
And when we (paid for) to Paris by eurorail got see eastern France's farmlands as well.

I'm a city gal, but I appreciate farmers, and ranchers. Studied organic gardening back in the 80's on my own.

i just meant it as a way of showing how times have changed due to industrialisation, from say 40 years ago, and how our social system needs to adapt as machines put people out of jobs - it's just part of inevitable technological progress...

the farms are still here and the French countryside is generally unspoilt by development - it's just that fewer people tend the land these days as machines do all the work now, same as we don't need work-horses any more, it's just changing times... yep, there are also lots of small-scale farmers, lots of organic farms too, alongside the industrial farmers which is great...

 

[mama cass]

The truth is, this has nothing to do with democracy, conservative values, the constitution, or anything else they scream out.

This has everything to do with restoring that America where white men were dominant. Period. They don't care anymore the means, they just care about the result. It's why Trump is so bulletproof.

Ironhorse is defending fascism on Facebook, the right are making big efforts to normalize all of this.

Even the female Trump supporters are misogynistic assholes:

View attachment 11283
This was just yesterday.

This is about restoring that false reality of the 50s, where women and blacks knew their place, where fags were in the closet and trannies didn't even exist, science was just something fun but it didn't dictate our way of life, where you can just say it like it is.

When you are THIS desperate to live a vision that never really existed, you WILL embrace any means to get there. That is what this is, make no mistake. There is no reasoning with them anymore.

has The Handmaid's Tale with Elizabeth Moss aired over in the US yet? just caught episode 3 last night - incredibly hard to watch, and a little too close to the bone right now

 

[corianderstem]

Yes, finale is this week. It's excellent.

 

[Danny Boy]

Chuck Schumer totally trolling Trump and his cabinet of sycophants on Twitter.

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[Pearl]

I'm pretty sure Trump's cabinet was coached to do all that.

Did anyone hear Ivanka Trump's whining?

"It is hard. There's a level of viciousness that I was not expecting. I was not expecting the intensity of this experience."

Is she serious? Methinks she's just trying to mess with the minds of anyone who's against her father, just as her father does.

 

[BVS]

Guys, you don't understand. There has never been this type of viciousness. Trump did not accuse our last president of being an illegal one, no one ever attacked his family or their vacations, the Republicans did not spend 8 years trying to obstruct everything they could, they did not attack and accuse the woman that was campaigning after him. This is all new, this is unprecedented.

The scary thing is, Trump has destroyed irony along with fact, and folks actually believe this ^ Their memories were completely erased(maybe it was the Russians ) the day Trump stole the election.

 

[dazzledbylight]

The truth is, this has nothing to do with democracy, conservative values, the constitution, or anything else they scream out.

This has everything to do with restoring that America where white men were dominant. Period. They don't care anymore the means, they just care about the result. It's why Trump is so bulletproof.

Ironhorse is defending fascism on Facebook, the right are making big efforts to normalize all of this.

Even the female Trump supporters are misogynistic assholes:

View attachment 11283
This was just yesterday.

This is about restoring that false reality of the 50s, where women and blacks knew their place, where fags were in the closet and trannies didn't even exist, science was just something fun but it didn't dictate our way of life, where you can just say it like it is.

When you are THIS desperate to live a vision that never really existed, you WILL embrace any means to get there. That is what this is, make no mistake. There is no reasoning with them anymore.

Oh I think this is true and out there for everyone to see for a whole bunch, while maybe not the majority (at least not admitted consciously if it's there). Others were desperate enough to look sideways at his racism, sexism, xenophobia to which some voters those views may not have totally acceptable, but they were willing to believe in his jobs & economics promised.

Bleah on Coulter.

And as to what some of my "fellow" women still believe...

 

[dazzledbylight]

i just meant it as a way of showing how times have changed due to industrialisation, from say 40 years ago, and how our social system needs to adapt as machines put people out of jobs - it's just part of inevitable technological progress...

the farms are still here and the French countryside is generally unspoilt by development - it's just that fewer people tend the land these days as machines do all the work now, same as we don't need work-horses any more, it's just changing times... yep, there are also lots of small-scale farmers, lots of organic farms too, alongside the industrial farmers which is great...

Ah, I see, a bigger meta point. Sure machines, vehicles etc have change farming, as well as various automatization processes have affected various industries over time. And ever more these decades (like even in coal mines)!

Glad to know small, medium and organic farming is still going on despite a large agribusiness presence.