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Old 02-04-2004, 01:33 PM   #16
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Politicians did not make this anouncement, Army Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty did!
yes, of course, i was just doing a larger talk. but i don't know how much distance you may find between politicians a nd militaries in times of war...i mean, politicians decide and militaries take action, or is it different? and besides, president bush, like many of his national and international collaborators, has several times promised that he will SURELY catch bin laden, or am i wrong? anyway, i've already kept a bottle of champagne in my fridge to make a party if bin laden would be catched. but in the moment, he's free, he continues to be the first enemy of human beings, and most of all, he menaced again! so it isn't important WHO does anouncements or promises, what counts is that no one should deceive people, especially the ones whose sons and daughters are risking their lives EVERYDAY. just give hope, but do no promises or speeches like hilferty did, because if other thousands people would be involved in another wild and cowardly act of terrorism, then hilferty or whoever should go to these families and wipe their tears
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Old 02-04-2004, 06:19 PM   #17
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Lt. Col. Hilferty is risking his life everyday in Afghanistan . Where do you get the idea that he is trying to decieve anyone? He has a difficult job to do everyday. Lt. Col. Hilferty's work is part of the reason why Bin Ladin has been unsuccessful in launching another major terrorist attack in the 2 and a half years since 9/11.

My message to Lt. Col. Hilferty is
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Sting, I salute Lt. Col Hilferty, his courage, and his commitment. However, I would call the Istanbul bombings a major terrorist act. The guys who got busted for the bombing claim they talked to bin Laden twice during 2002. The Turks think the Istanbul cell of Al Qaeda is shot now, but unfortunately they committed mass murder first.
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"I would call the Istanbul bombings a major terrorist act."

Its not on the level of 9/11 which is what I was refering to.
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True, not nearly as many people were killed in Istanbul as there were in New York. But I'm sure you'll agree with me that it was a loathesome, cowardly and disgusting crime. To me it shows that we're not out of the woods with bin Laden and his evil minions, and we need to get him to knock the terrorists out of commission.
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yes sting2, i agree that he's risking his life, like many others, everyday, and i admire their work, these are heroes, but the sense of what i've said is different, because if you say that you're sure to catch him late in november, and then you do not, and maybe in the meantime this crazy man does another attack killing other people, what happens then? that's the deceive. and he's doing other attacks, istanbul was not the only one, he made about 50 other attacks, not like 9/11, but people died anyway! there's a difference when you say "we're trying to do our best and we're doing a hard work to catch him" and "we gonna catch him surely this year"...there's a big difference. verte76, istanbul was a big catastrophe, yes, a lot of human lives ended. i totally agree with what you're saying,that's the same sense of what i mean. as long as this bastard is out there, we're all in high danger, because he's menacing all of us over and over again, and we can't be sure.
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Old 02-05-2004, 09:30 AM   #22
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babyman,

You don't know the information Lt. Col. Hilferty has or how military forces are going to use that to catch Bin Ladin. Its still in open question as to whether Bin Ladin has been involved with any attacks since 9/11. Claiming you did the attack or someone claiming they met Bin Ladin is not proof.

But most importantly, I think Lt. Col. Hilferty deserves respect rather than "Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah".
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maybe you've neither read what i wrote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by babyman
[B]yes sting2, i agree that he's risking his life, like many others, everyday, and i admire their work, these are heroes
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One of my connections for Turkey is a tour writer who is from the U.S. but practically lives in Turkey. He regularly gets reports from the State Department. He says it's not clear exactly who did the Istanbul bombing but it's likely it was Al Qaeda. The guys that got busted do indeed claim that they talked to bin Laden, but I admit that I can't produce concrete evidence that they did. Maybe they are saying this stuff for terrorist effect, i.e, trying to scare the Turkish moderates and their allies, the U.S. I do agree that we need to get bin Laden, and indeed Bush himself hasn't backed off of wanting to bust the . As long as the is out there he's a threat. Someone bombed Istanbul. That's all that matters. I feel like bin Laden is still dangerous, more so in places like Pakistan than in Turkey. Pakistan is a disaster waiting to happen.
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yes, pakistan is another very dangerous situation. the istanbul bombing, i think it was claimed by al qaeda if i'm not wrong. anyway, al qaeda claimed a lot of kamikaze attacks. have you heard of nassirya, verte?
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Yeah, there was a vicious attack in Nassaryah. It's hard to keep up with all of the attacks and bombings in Iraq because they have been so many. They busted two Iraqis and two Saudis--Wahhabists--in connection with the bombing of a Shia mosque. There are reports of a "sister group" of Al Qaeda in northern Iraq where Iraq's Kurdish political party headquarters were bombed last week. The attack on Istanbul was vicious. The British consulate and a British owned bank were bombed five days after the synagogues were bombed. My avatar is a painting I did protesting the Istanbul outrages. This job isn't done.
Pakistan. Holy that place scares me. It's so unstable, they have Taliban supporters galore, it's a terrorist haven, God help us.
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all this situation makes me real sad, i live in italy, and that fu..er sweard to hit one big city, to do something cowardly like his usual style...why do we live in such a world... what do you think why is this all happening, verte? can it be just hate, money, power...what do you think it's the real reason?
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babyman,

"maybe you've neither read what i wrote"

If you re-read what you have said in this thread, you should find where you said "blah,blah,blah,blah"
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all this situation makes me real sad, i live in italy, and that fu..er sweard to hit one big city, to do something cowardly like his usual style...why do we live in such a world... what do you think why is this all happening, verte? can it be just hate, money, power...what do you think it's the real reason?
It's all of them.....hate, greed for power and money.........these guys are fd in the head.
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