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Old 02-14-2002, 10:51 PM   #16
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the horror, diamond, and lemonite make perfect sense to me right now. But the best summary comes from Db69, great job! HooH HaH-to al of you though~light and motion light and motion, its hard to walk away, you could have it all, we could have it all
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Old 02-14-2002, 11:07 PM   #17
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Mm. My country is on your country's blacklist..

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Old 02-14-2002, 11:22 PM   #18
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Mm. My country is on your country's blacklist..

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Old 02-14-2002, 11:38 PM   #19
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USA says that Malaysia was where the 9/11 attacks were planned. The govt have had dealings with Osama's brother, among other things. I guess one could say that the Southeast Asian equavalent of an 'axis of evil' is Malaysia, Singapore and Phillipines.

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NO. I have heard recently as of today that your own country has gone after terrorist.

I'm not sure who they are working for/or with, and my source is not the news.
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Fine lets not police teh world, and then have all of you complain that the United states...the most powerful country in teh world, does nothing to bring stability to the world around them. You don't want us to be the world police fine, let saddam have kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, Let milosevic run free in eastern europe etc etc...personally...whenver I hear stuff like this..I sense inferiority complexes.
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Fine lets not police teh world, and then have all of you complain that the United states...the most powerful country in teh world, does nothing to bring stability to the world around them. You don't want us to be the world police fine, let saddam have kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, Let milosevic run free in eastern europe etc etc...personally...whenver I hear stuff like this..I sense inferiority complexes.
Excellent post! So true!

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Thanks for some calm and nice replies.

Lemonite: I do agree that US get bashed if they interfere, AND if they don't, it's wrong and puts US in a tricky situation. And I guess you're right that they play the worlds police most of the time but some situations are more questionable then others. I have never had any concrete information before so I haven't interfered or had an opinion and therefor tried to be humble and not judging US by saying that they are the world police all the time but in this situation, when they are accusing people, private persons, not organisations, all around the world and don't let them know why or give them a chance to defend themselves, then it has gone too far.

DB: I know US is a great country. I've visited you several times and are looking forward to coming trips there because I will be back. And as you said your goods overweigh the bads.
You are also at war, but not against private people that has no idea why they are accused for something, they don't even know what they are accused of and they live their life far away from the center of this war and probably don't know more about it then the general person. And then they get the answer that you are put on the list just to prevent you from MAYBE doing something terroristic in the future. It's like putting someone in jail for a month just to let them see what it's like so they don't want to end up there, no other reason. You are not allowed to do that, at least not here.
It's this particular situation I'm questioning, NOT the entire US and it's laws.
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I'm actually wondering where this is going. What I mean is that next time it might be me, just because I know someone from Afgahnistan or someone that has been involved with the wrong organization. What has happened starts to shake my own security. Even if I know I haven't done anything, if someone can accuse me anyway and don't have to tell me why, that scares me and I am no longer living in a free country. You see where I am at, this is no longer just about terrorists.
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Fine lets not police teh world, and then have all of you complain that the United states...the most powerful country in teh world, does nothing to bring stability to the world around them. You don't want us to be the world police fine, let saddam have kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, Let milosevic run free in eastern europe etc etc...personally...whenver I hear stuff like this..I sense inferiority complexes.
Thanks for reading my posts so well, and what I'm questioning. But please if you will post here, stay to the actual issue and try to read what's actually written. It seems like most others that has replyed sees what I'm at, american or not, except you.... But if you want to fight here for your country, I'm not the right person to fight with (and this thread is not the right either) because I like US and get personally offended by you accusing me of the opposite.... You don't defend your country very well.
I'm sorry but it's americans like you that make foreigners to dislike you. Humbleness? Heard of it?

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Did it ever occur to anyone that the rest of the world has more than one opinion, i.e. it's not necessarily the same people complaining when the US interferes as when they don't?
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Did it ever occur to anyone that the rest of the world has more than one opinion, i.e. it's not necessarily the same people complaining when the US interferes as when they don't?
Good point!

*wonders why I never figure this stuff out myself but find it so natural when someone else is saying it*

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I think that what upsets people is that the U.S. doesn't police the world simply because we are a deeply compassionate nation that is concerned about the well being of our fellow citizens of the world, but we police the world in places and in ways that directly benefit our economy. We police the world as arrogant bullies.

It's not that the non-Americans on this forum are expressing an inferiority complex (how insulting and arrogant to suggest that), but rather that they have observed (accurately in my opinion) the U.S.'s superiority complex. A perfect example was Bush's unilateral rejection of the Kyoto Protocol because it might harm the U.S. economy. He ranked the U.S. economy as being more important than global warming for God's sake. It was the epitome of arrogance. Absolutely shocking and disgusting. The World Trade Center was symbolic of the American economical ego and it is important that we Americans both recognize this AND support our leaders in addressing the situation, and support does not mean blind nationalism. This is not a fucking football game where we should sit there and go "rah rah rah America, our team rulz!" 9/11 was absolutely horrifying and I personally know people who died, but that does not mean I am going to be blind about it. On the contrary, my eyes are more open than ever.

I have drifted way off topic here, and yet, not so much in the bigger scheme. I have observed similar discussions on this forum for a long time, and I know where they go. I will be judged as unpatriotic and a bleeding heart liberal because that is usually the lamest response anyone can come up with. Fine. I know what's in my heart.

But whatever, I'm done with this--there is no point in even wasting energy this way. But all I want to say to MissZooropa is that not all Americans agree with U.S. foreign policy and the way in which the so-called war on terrorism is being handled, and I am sorry for how your questions have been received.

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But all I want to say to MissZooropa is that not all Americans agree with U.S. foreign policy and the way in which the so-called war on terrorism is being handled, and I am sorry for how your questions have been received.
Thanks! Unfortunatly those americans don't make as much sound as those that defends everything about US, no exception.

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but rather that they have observed (accurately in my opinion) the U.S.'s superiority complex. A perfect example was Bush's unilateral rejection of the Kyoto Protocol because it might harm the U.S. economy. He ranked the U.S. economy as being more important than global warming for God's sake.
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jg, please study the Kyoto Protocol and America's reaction to it before you say things like this. Yes, America's economy was one of teh main reasons Bush rejected it.
But he also didn't liek the fact that China, one of the biggest violators of the environment, was not being called on to an hardly anything. There are other reasons, also.
But he's the President of the USA, for crying out loud. Not the president of The United Nations. His job is to look out for the people of the country he represents. Not France, not Russia. The USA. That is and should be his first and foremost consideration. If our economy really tanks, we are in dire straits.

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