US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-18-2005, 06:22 AM   #16
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 12:08 AM
If it leads them to invade other countries on false pretexts, then yes it is wrong.
__________________

__________________
financeguy is offline  
Old 06-18-2005, 08:17 AM   #17
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 8,876
Local Time: 11:08 PM
Re: Re: Re: US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

Quote:
Originally posted by financeguy


Hmmm...interesting reasoning, maybe Saddam Hussein's lawyer should use this reasoning in conducting his defense - i.e., hey using chemical weapons was the "best weapon to use" in the particular situation.

There is no moral difference between the Anglo-American/Zionist rape of Fallujah and Saddam's actions against the Kurdish population.
#1 MK77 munitions are not Sarin Gas or any other type of WMD and have been approved by the CCW for use against military targets. It is very difficult to contain the effects of Chemical weapons to any specific target which is why their use is banned and most military forces will not use them because of the potential that weather could push the chemicals right back on them.

#2 Saddam could never make an arguement that using Chemical Weapons against innocent civilians was the best weapon for that situation because its illegal to target and kill innocent civilians. Then again, it would not be the first time that Saddam has said or done something that was actually not serving his best interest.

#3 My best friend was involved in the assualt on Fallujah. He did not rape anyone nor did any of the other 15,000 Marines and Soldiers who were involved in destroying the terrorist who had taken refuge there and had turned the city into a base for terrorism and torture.

Saddams actions against the Kurds involved wiping out entire population of innocent civilians. The United States military does not target civilians, it targets terrorist or enemy combatents. What Saddam did is illegal under international law, what the United States did in Fallujah was legal and necessary.
__________________

__________________
STING2 is offline  
Old 06-18-2005, 04:02 PM   #18
New Yorker
 
Scarletwine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Outside it's Amerika
Posts: 2,746
Local Time: 06:08 PM
!?
__________________
Scarletwine is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 12:21 AM   #19
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Rono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: the Netherlands
Posts: 6,163
Local Time: 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Dreadsox
Throw enough shit on the wall...comething will stick.
Napalm sticks too,...
__________________
Rono is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 12:28 AM   #20
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Rono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: the Netherlands
Posts: 6,163
Local Time: 12:08 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

Quote:
Originally posted by STING2








Saddams actions against the Kurds involved wiping out entire population of innocent civilians. The United States military does not target civilians, it targets terrorist or enemy combatents. What Saddam did is illegal under international law, what the United States did in Fallujah was legal and necessary.
well, clusterbombs are very accurate also
__________________
Rono is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 11:04 AM   #21
New Yorker
 
Scarletwine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Outside it's Amerika
Posts: 2,746
Local Time: 06:08 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

Quote:
Originally posted by STING2


Saddams actions against the Kurds involved wiping out entire population of innocent civilians. The United States military does not target civilians, it targets terrorist or enemy combatents. What Saddam did is illegal under international law, what the United States did in Fallujah was legal and necessary.
I'm sure there were a lot of insurgents present in those populations as he was quelling what he saw as a rebellion, same against the Shia. Maybe he even called them enemy combatants!

That doesn't mean I condone his actions in any way. It all comes down to legal and necessary always depends on what side your on or who wins.

I'm still disgusted by what means my government will sink to.
__________________
Scarletwine is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 05:04 PM   #22
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 09:08 AM
There is a distinction between waging a counter-insurgency campaign and genocide. The US millitary does not go in for wholesale slaughter of civilians deliberately; it is not trying to exterminate an entire people.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 06:08 PM   #23
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 8,876
Local Time: 11:08 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

Quote:
Originally posted by Scarletwine


I'm sure there were a lot of insurgents present in those populations as he was quelling what he saw as a rebellion, same against the Shia. Maybe he even called them enemy combatants!

That doesn't mean I condone his actions in any way. It all comes down to legal and necessary always depends on what side your on or who wins.

I'm still disgusted by what means my government will sink to.
Great, now your comparing the actions taken by US military personal to those of Saddam. The US military does not target innocent civilians! It is digusting what happen to the thousands of civilians in several towns in the Kurdish north! WHOLE populations in these towns were wiped out by Sarin Gas.

30 MK77 munitions were used against specific military targets over a 3 day period. The use of such minutions in that situation is legal under the CCW. I cannot understand how you could compare this to killing a whole entire town of 5,000 innocent civilians with Sarin Gas.
__________________
STING2 is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 06:40 PM   #24
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 12:08 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

Quote:
Originally posted by STING2
#3 My best friend was involved in the assualt on Fallujah. He did not rape anyone nor did any of the other 15,000 Marines and Soldiers who were involved in destroying the terrorist who had taken refuge there and had turned the city into a base for terrorism and torture.
I used the word "rape" in a metaphorical context.
__________________
financeguy is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 06:41 PM   #25
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 12:08 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

Quote:
Originally posted by STING2
The US military does not target innocent civilians!
Are Arab journalists innocent civilians or terrorists?
__________________
financeguy is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 08:06 PM   #26
New Yorker
 
Scarletwine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Outside it's Amerika
Posts: 2,746
Local Time: 06:08 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

Quote:
Originally posted by STING2
30 MK77 munitions were used against specific military targets over a 3 day period. The use of such minutions in that situation is legal under the CCW. I cannot understand how you could compare this to killing a whole entire town of 5,000 innocent civilians with Sarin Gas.
Every other civilized country prohibits that type of weapon including our "coalition". How many civilans in a town of 300,000 did we kill? We targeted the town - civilians live in the town - we target civilians.

It's all semantics. Saddam killed 5000, we've accidentially killed up to 100,000 and rising in an illegal invasion. And who sold him the Sarin gas and whose Sec. shook his hand after that incident.
__________________
Scarletwine is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 08:19 PM   #27
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 09:08 AM
500 in one incident in a campaign! A single campaign which did kill 180,000, a single campaign in a reign of terror that killed millions. There are the bodies to prove it, buried in mass graves being dug up every day, on the battlefields of wars long past.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 08:22 PM   #28
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,685
Local Time: 05:08 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

Quote:
Originally posted by STING2


Great, now your comparing the actions taken by US military personal to those of Saddam.
Right, we only do that when we want to justify our torturing of prisoners. Then it's OK to compare.
__________________
BVS is online now  
Old 06-19-2005, 08:28 PM   #29
New Yorker
 
Scarletwine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Outside it's Amerika
Posts: 2,746
Local Time: 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by A_Wanderer
500 in one incident in a campaign! A single campaign which did kill 180,000, a single campaign in a reign of terror that killed millions. There are the bodies to prove it, buried in mass graves being dug up every day, on the battlefields of wars long past.
Of course, and many of them are because of US military actions.

The Phillipines is one of the best examples and there was some religious fever thrown into that endevor also. Cambodia and Laos - they're still being maimed or killed every day because of bombies.
__________________
Scarletwine is offline  
Old 06-19-2005, 08:28 PM   #30
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 09:08 AM
No, have you seen one statement from this administration justifying abuse of prisoners?

No, I think that these comparisons are a hallmark of the modern left. Every abuse is torture, every death is a genocide, every detention centre is a concentration camp.
Quote:
On March 19, 2004, President Bush asked: "Who would prefer that Saddam's torture chambers still be open?"

Shamefully, we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management – U.S. management.
__________________

__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com