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Old 03-25-2004, 12:40 AM   #31
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Hey... I guess the next thing to go is "In God We Trust" on our greenbacks...

Maybe into something like "In Mammon We Lust"
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Old 03-25-2004, 03:54 AM   #32
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atleast america is considering whether or not to remove it .. thats a big deal in my opinion how many countries in the world would have a debate on that .

anything else i wanted to say , melon and fizz said it already

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ps: when i say america , i mean USA.. its obvious but just in case
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If it were one nation under Jesus Christ, I'm sure you would get a different result. The term is just "God". Define it as you will.

If you don't believe in God, the phrase is meaningless.
That's no doubt an interesting comment on the whole debate, however I was responding directly to the comments made by Soul Always.

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I say "under God" should remain. I have my reasons. If we take God out of everything soon God can't be counted on when we really need him.
That seems to be a reference to a particular God, not to "god" as defined by the person reciting the pledge. So...what of the people who believe in a different god or indeed no god at all?
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Old 03-25-2004, 07:13 AM   #34
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I say...let's tie up any non believer and burn them at the stake.
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i still think its silly students are "required" to say it. God or no God.
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Old 03-25-2004, 09:31 AM   #36
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i still think its silly students are "required" to say it. God or no God.
illogical, unscientific and un-secular ( if thats a word)..

it wont exactly be theocratic or secular..something in between
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I wonder how much 'allegiance' really means. The citizenship ceremony in the UK includes an oath of allegiance: "I, [name], swear by Almighty God that, on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors according to law" and the new pledge of allegiance: "I will give my loyalty to the United Kingdom and respect its rights and freedoms. I will uphold its democratic values. I will observe its laws faithfully and fulfil my duties and obligations as a British citizen."

So if you're a dual citizen, you owe allegiance to both countries.
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I slightly disagree with you Meggie, but agree with you at the same time. An oath of allegiance when undertaking citizenship seems (to me) to be more to be pledging to undertake your life NOW as an [insert country] citizen, by agreeing that from hereon in you begin this phase of your life as a Brit .... This makes no sense. lol. I guess its like wedding vows. You say them at the start, but dont have to repeat them everyday, you live by them instead. Its verbalised on the first day, then reflected in your actions every day after that.
But you probably have way more of an understanding of an oath than I ever will so just ignore me
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And what of the millions of US citizens who don't believe in the same God as you?
Well, it's a cold hard fact that you don't have to believe in God in order for there to actually be a God, and for that God to be YOUR God. And, what does it hurt to have "another person's God" on your side, anyways? It seems to me that we should accept all the help we can get.
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If it were one nation under Jesus Christ, I'm sure you would get a different result. The term is just "God". Define it as you will.

If you don't believe in God, the phrase is meaningless.
It may be meaningless TO YOU, but it's not meaningless to God.
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It may be meaningless TO YOU, but it's not meaningless to God.
oh well !!! i respect your views but i still think mine is better
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Well, it's a cold hard fact that you don't have to believe in God in order for there to actually be a God, and for that God to be YOUR God. And, what does it hurt to have "another person's God" on your side, anyways? It seems to me that we should accept all the help we can get.
So you'd be quite happy to pray to Allah on the basis that "it doesn't hurt have another person's God on your side"?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be of the opinion that the "under God" refers to the Christian God? In that case, why should an athiest or someone of a religion other than Christianity be expected to recite a pledge using the name of a God they don't believe in?
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And, what does it hurt to have "another person's God" on your side, anyways? It seems to me that we should accept all the help we can get.
Because for some people the very idea of God is as ludicrous as the Easter Bunny.
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One nation, under the Easter Bunny?
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One nation, under the Easter Bunny?
Why not? I mean, just because no one's ever seen the Easter Bunny doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And we need all the help we can get, right?
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