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Old 01-06-2005, 08:11 AM   #46
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I just find it interesting that the US contribution of $350million is the same as it cost them to run the war in Iraq for 1 and a half days. story

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I just find it interesting that the US contribution of $350million is the same as it cost them to run the war in Iraq for 1 and a half days. story


As much as I am against the War, it was budgeted for and approved by Congress, much of those funds are fo rreconstruction. To pull out at this point would be to abandon the Iraqi people who actually want democracy. Bush is in a real pickle with this one, which is why I was shocked the democrats couldn't kick him out, a slow economy, an unpopular war and he STILL gets re-elected ??!!!??? Says more abotu the democrats than it does anyone else. Still, we digress, don't we ?

The Aid also requires Congress to approve, which i'm sure they will.

Wars are very expensive to run, but also bear in mind that the US has also budgeted for extensive reconstruction in Iraq too.

Since we're talking about things we find interesting:

I find it interesting that North Korea can fund a Nuclear Development program but can't feed it's people.

I find it interesting that Iran can also fund a nuclear program but many are still homeless from the Bam earthquake.

I find it interesting that many African countries can fund, support and equip armies, buy US, European and Russian made fighter jets but need more debt relief (which I am FOR, relax) and aid than ever before.

I find it interesting that little aid appears to have been pledged to help Indonesia from fellow Muslim countries (no, I'm not saying it's a contest, simmah dahn now....)

The world is indeed an interesting place.....
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I find it interesting that little aid appears to have been pledged to help Indonesia from fellow Muslim countries (no, I'm not saying it's a contest, simmah dahn now....)
Well, if you're not saying it's a contest, what are you saying, exactly? And are you able to deal with criticism of the US in a more substantial way than to point out which countries you find to be worse?

Besides, you are wrong on this, anyway.
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Well, if you're not saying it's a contest, what are you saying, exactly?


I'm saying I found it interesting that fellow muslim countries weren't rushing to their aid.

Let me know which words you didn't understand.

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And are you able to deal with criticism of the US in a more substantial way than to point out which countries you find to be worse?


I deal with impartial even handed constructive criticism of the US quite well thank you, I'm quite prone to doing it myself.

Since you seem to take a great interest in how I should/should not react to what other countries are doing Should I also not be concerned about this type of aid ? Or should I be spending my time looking for more ways to criticize the US ?


Radicals pitch in to clean up and keep Islamic law
By Matthew Moore, sydney Morning Herald Correspondent in Banda Aceh
January 6, 2005



Radical Islamic groups best known for smashing bars and violent support of the jailed cleric Abu Bakar Bashir have sent large contingents of their members to Aceh with funding provided by the Indonesian Government.

At Banda Aceh's airport, trucks with supplies to be ferried to disaster-struck areas by US Navy helicopters have been unloaded by members of Bashir's group, the MMI, including one man proudly wearing an Osama bin Laden T-shirt.

Members of the FPI (Islamic Defenders Front), famous for its attacks on nightspots in Jakarta, are now living in Banda Aceh in tents provided by the army and the Ministry of Social Affairs.

The head of the FPI contingent, Hilmy Bakar Almascaty, said about 250 members had come to Aceh with tickets provided by the Government; 800 more on board an Indonesian warship would help clean up the devastated province.

"FPI is not only an organisation that destroys bars and discos, it has a humanitarian side as well that the media is not happy to expose," Dr Almascaty said.

Early yesterday 50 of his troops wearing FPI shirts went through a series of military drills before heading off to the city to help collect corpses still not recovered from the millions of tonnes of rubble.
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Dr Almascaty said his group had held discussions with the head of the army, General Ryamizard Ryacudu, the Defence Minister, Juwono Sudarsono and the Vice-President, Jusuf Kalla, and had come to Aceh with the full backing of the Government.

He said his members were in Aceh to help, although the army in the past has often been accused of using Islamic groups to fight its battles, especially in divided communities like Aceh.

Dr Almascaty agreed that, as well as helping gather corpses and clean up mosques, the FPI had come to play another role.

He said he was determined to ensure the arrival of foreign soldiers and aid workers did not lead to a breakdown in the system of syariah, or Islamic law, which has been in nominal operation in Aceh for several years.

"If anyone who comes here does not respect the syariah law, traditions and constitution, we must give them a warning and then we must attack," he said.

Dr Almascaty said his group was co-ordinating with MMI and with another hardline group banned in many countries, Hizbut Tharir, in a plan to curtail Western influence.

"You cannot build a bar here. If you go to your room to drink that is no problem, but you can't drink in a public area," he said.

He warned foreign soldiers and aid workers: "Don't go with Acehnese women, with Muslim women. If you come here and take women and try to westernise them, this is a problem for me."

Dr Almascaty said he had already met the Indonesian military commander in Aceh, General Endang Suwarya, and urged him to set aside areas "to keep the US separate".

The head of the MMI contingent, Salman al Furizi, said his group of 50 young men from central Java had flown to Banda Aceh on a military aircraft. He was prepared to put aside his vehement opposition to the US because of the help it was providing.

"We have to understand this is a disaster, so we are not talking about other problems," he said.

Dr Almascaty also welcomed the Americans and other traditional enemies of his group. "At the moment they have come as an angel," he said. "We don't know about tomorrow."
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I'm saying I found it interesting that fellow muslim countries weren't rushing to their aid.
Yes, of course, but ... what's the point? Interesting in what way?
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Yes, of course, but ... what's the point? Interesting in what way?
Its pretty simple and painfully obvious strannix.
Even though the Muslim world generally hates the USA, the USA have gave generously to ppl who hate them.

Tell us you get it now.

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Yes, of course, but ... what's the point? Interesting in what way?
Cf. the amount of aid given to suiside bomber families for a little perspective.
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Its pretty simple and painfully obvious strannix.
Even though the Muslim world generally hates the USA, the USA have gave generously to ppl who hate them.

Tell us you get it now.

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Well, let's just all pat ourselves on the back for our wondrous moral superiority. Jesus.

cardosino, was this really your point? That we're better than they are? I hope not.
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Well, let's just all pat ourselves on the back for our wondrous moral superiority. Jesus.

cardosino, was this really your point? That we're better than they are? I hope not.
There is some serious leaps of logic in reaching the conclusion you came to based on what the previous guy just wrote.

Sometimes when written, things aren't always interpreted the way they would be if the discussion were face to face, but seriously dude, if the message you got from the previous pooster was that we are better than they are,.....well......I won't say anything here that could be misinterpreted, but all I ask is that you re-read it, take a 2nd look, and ask yourself if that's really what you think they meant.

If you still come up with the same answer, so be it.
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Well, let's just all pat ourselves on the back for our wondrous moral superiority. Jesus.

cardosino, was this really your point? That we're better than they are? I hope not.
2 days later and 2 pages later and it still sounds like all some want to do is prove they are better. I sure hope to God that none of the survivors who get this aid and have lost loved ones don't see this type of self centeredness and arrogance from those that are representing those countries that gave aid.

This thread is truly discusting and I will no longer participate in this discussion anymore.
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but all I ask is that you re-read it, take a 2nd look, and ask yourself if that's really what you think they meant.

If you still come up with the same answer, so be it.
Done.

And there's not a doubt in my mind.
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