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Old 10-01-2007, 02:59 PM   #91
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It wouldn't matter if we pulled out every last soldier, Iraq became a stable democracy, and there was 50 years of peace in the Middle East.

The Democrats are now married to a loss in Iraq. Success there is a failure for them as a party.
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He's from Connecticut, isn't he?

Perhaps that photo is from a fancy dress ball at Yale.
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The Democrats are now married to a loss in Iraq. Success there is a failure for them as a party.
Just because you keep repeating something over and over doesn't make something true.

You continually say this, yet you have never shown one shred of evidence where the Dems want this to fail. Maybe the Dems just don't have the ability to polish a turd the way the Republicans do.
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i read that this morning, too. i guess i'm completely wrong. Iraq is a smashing success!

or, wait, did you look at what happened througout 2007? or are you only going to look at September because it's the most convenient?

either way, i look forward to seeing all the political process that the drop in violence is supposed to enable.

(and, note, lowest levels since 2006 ... that's kind of a misunderestimation, isn't it?)

the point here, as always, is to show measured progress in political terms. there is no military solution to Iraq.
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The Democrats are now married to a loss in Iraq. Success there is a failure for them as a party.


say WHAT?!?!?!

this was a Republican war from the beginning and all the way through. the people who fucked everything up -- from Bush to Rumsfeld to L. Paul Bremmer to the Blackwater yahoos -- are all REPUBLICANS.

maybe if your party could fight a war -- you lost Vietnam, too, whereas the Dems won WW2 -- then you might have a point.
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You continually say this, yet you have never shown one shred of evidence where the Dems want this to fail.
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House majority whip Jim Clyburn of South Carolina was asked by the Washington Post what Democrats would think if Petraeus reports next month that the war is going well. "That would be a real big problem for us," Clyburn candidly replied.
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He's from Connecticut, isn't he?

Perhaps that photo is from a fancy dress ball at Yale.


the man clears shrubbery from his property because it relaxes him.

the irony lost is that there are many who must do the same thing to eat.
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either way, i look forward to seeing all the political process that the drop in violence is supposed to enable.
I'm sure you are.
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come on, you can do better.
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I'm sure you are.


if you need to tell yourself that i'm actively cheering against the US in order to make yourself feel better about the fact that the Republicans have started and lost yet another adventurist war, then go right ahead and do that.

i'll spend my time worrying about the tens of thousands of needless deaths and start to think of ways to wean ourselves off our oil dependence.
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if you need to tell yourself that i'm actively cheering against the US
Your posts tell us that.
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Your posts tell us that.


as i've said, it's awful, but we do know that reality has a well-known liberal bias.

what i really want is for every last person who voted for bush in 2000 and especially in 2004 to apologize to every single person who has died in this fiasco.
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One could interpret this many ways. I don't have the context of the situation, but what if he meant it would be bad for us as Americans because it would be misleading?

Really, you'll have to do better than a one line quote.
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One could interpret this many ways. I don't have the context of the situation, but what if he meant it would be bad for us as Americans because it would be misleading?

Really, you'll have to do better than a one line quote.
That's exactly what I thought when I read that.
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AEON, you've missed the mark again. Give us some political stability, then we'll talk turn arounds.
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