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Old 11-14-2007, 03:15 PM   #796
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well completely different. but "bitch" is a more universal term is it not? at least for me, i call men and women bitches all the time.
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well completely different. but "bitch" is a more universal term is it not? at least for me, i call men and women bitches all the time.
Yes, I hear bitch all the time, from men and women. Mostly in a joking manner.

There's not much joking with the N-word.

Either way, bitch I've always found to be much less offensive (although still offensive).
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well completely different. but "bitch" is a more universal term is it not? at least for me, i call men and women bitches all the time.


yes, but in a joking context, right? more like, "beyotch" or "betch?" kind of like n-i-g-g-a?

this woman was not joking. she was using bitch, at least to my ears, as akin to a slur.

i think context means a whole lot. if i were to, say, address my crew and say, "all right bitches, listen up, we're pulling a late night tonight," that's one thing. but, yesterday, a male and a female coworker had a spat in the middle of the office. and she's obnoxious. we all know this. but after she stormed off, the male got really pissed and said, "my god, she's such a fucking bitch."

and i found that wholly inappropriate.

and i think that's what Diamond-in-a-wig is doing in this situation.
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Yes, I hear bitch all the time, from men and women. Mostly in a joking manner.

There's not much joking with the N-word.

Either way, bitch I've always found to be much less offensive (although still offensive).
precisely. anybody can be a bitch. black, white, hispanics who lie about marriage*, men, women, wahoo fans, people who slam on their breaks for no reason on the highway, people who buy the last bag of garden salsa sunchips in the vending machine, etc. etc. etc.

the n-bomb is targeting a specific group. it was used to perpetuate racist ideals back in the day. bitch is just another bad word like fucker, asshole, and so on.



*sorry, still bitter.
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yes, but in a joking context, right? more like, "beyotch" or "betch?" kind of like n-i-g-g-a?

this woman was not joking. she was using bitch, at least to my ears, as akin to a slur.

i think context means a whole lot. if i were to, say, address my crew and say, "all right bitches, listen up, we're pulling a late night tonight," that's one thing. but, yesterday, a male and a female coworker had a spat in the middle of the office. and she's obnoxious. we all know this. but after she stormed off, the male got really pissed and said, "my god, she's such a fucking bitch."

and i found that wholly inappropriate.

and i think that's what Diamond-in-a-wig is doing in this situation.
i see what you are saying. in the male/female coworker altercation, it sounded like he may have made that comment based on her mannerisms. what i'm saying is, diamond-in-a-wig isn't alluding to any sort of particular clinton trait. she just called her a bitch. i call bush a bitch. i'm not defending her or anything, but i think there needs to be more context before assuming that that was indeed sexist and not overall dislike.


and no, i say bitch. not beyotch or anything....though betch is catching on thanks to kelly (is she sexist?).
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the n-bomb is targeting a specific group. it was used to perpetuate racist ideals back in the day. bitch is just another bad word like fucker, asshole, and so on.
I really don't ever use bitch in reference to a man nor do I know anyone else who regularly does either. I don't think it's equivalent to asshole or fucker at all.

And I do think Irvine has it right - in the context here, the woman was specifically referring to Hillary as a bitch for a reason. She wasn't using it because she was angry some random woman cut her off on the highway or made a pass at her man.
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I really don't ever use bitch in reference to a man nor do I know anyone else who regularly does either. I don't think it's equivalent to asshole or fucker at all.

I do know people that employ the word in reference to men and women, and toss it off just like they'd toss off asshole. Admittedly, I keep unrefined company, but that makes it no less true. I cannot recall the last time I used bitch in any other way.
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I really don't ever use bitch in reference to a man nor do I know anyone else who regularly does either. I don't think it's equivalent to asshole or fucker at all.
well, perhaps for you. not for me and most people i talk to. i never said everybody did. i call bush a bitch. am i sexist? am i referring to any sort of gender trait?
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Admittedly, I keep unrefined company,
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well, perhaps for you. not for me and most people i talk to. i never said everybody did. i call bush a bitch. am i sexist? am i referring to any sort of gender trait?
My point was that I disagreed with you that bitch was a universal insult used in reference to both genders. No need to jump all over me, I never even stated whether I thought the idiot in the article was sexist, much less what I thought of your description of Bush.
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But I do. In 3 different cities now.

Present digital company excluded.

Regardless, I agree with you, Mia, as it pertains to the word.
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who's jumping?
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Well, sorry if I misunderstood, but your "tone" came across as rather irritated. Nevermind then!
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