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Old 11-07-2007, 05:23 PM   #646
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whiiiiiich he doesn't seem to be doing either...


Personally, my issues deal with things like a candidate's views on the War in Iraq, on gay marriage, on the death penalty, on the economy, etc.

But, really, please, keep going on about the exact moment this photo was taken.
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Old 11-07-2007, 05:28 PM   #647
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Personally, my issues deal with things like a candidate's views on the War in Iraq, on gay marriage, on the death penalty, on the economy, etc.
As do mine.

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But, really, please, keep going on about the exact moment this photo was taken.
I'm not "going on" about the photo. I just think it's funny when he says he sings during the national anthem, and he stands there not only with his arms down but with his mouth closed. Same goes for any politician who clearly double-speaks.

But fine, enough with the photo. Obama has countless other flaws we can discuss.
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I'm not "going on" about the photo. I just think it's funny when he says he sings during the national anthem, and he stands there not only with his arms down but with his mouth closed. Same goes for any politician who clearly double-speaks.
His hands are folded. How is this a bad thing? He's not waving the middle finger or sitting down or whatever else that represents disrespect.

Good luck finding a politician that doesn't double speak.
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As do mine.

I'm not "going on" about the photo. I just think it's funny when he says he sings during the national anthem, and he stands there not only with his arms down but with his mouth closed. Same goes for any politician who clearly double-speaks.

But fine, enough with the photo. Obama has countless other flaws we can discuss.
Good.

You are going on about it. He clarified it, and somehow you are still critiquing it. The fact that it's not during the pledge is the main point. Maybe it's during one of those long dragged out notes by the singer. Maybe it's between words. Who knows? The point is that your point has no merit whatsoever.

And the republicans take the cake in flaws, so I'm not worried about Obama.
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What are his countless other flaws?
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What are his countless other flaws?
Not being Republican?
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I'm not "going on" about the photo. I just think it's funny when he says he sings during the national anthem, and he stands there not only with his arms down but with his mouth closed. Same goes for any politician who clearly double-speaks.
You don't even know if they've started the song yet. Get off it. So why don't you actually find double-speak instead of speculating...


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But fine, enough with the photo. Obama has countless other flaws we can discuss.
Please try and discuss those in the future, so far all I've seen you discuss about Obama is that he's black and good looking and this photo.
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What are his countless other flaws?
He has an inconsistent voting record, his lack of experience and qualification to be President, his inability to put his foot down and say something meaningful regarding his beliefs, and of course his views being almost completely contrary to mine. Maybe he'll be a good President someday, but not right now.
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He has an inconsistent voting record, his lack of experience
How can he have such little experience and an inconsistent voting record? Please do tell.
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I put my hand over my heart during the anthem, it's just something I like to do. If others don't wish to do that that's their choice. He is still acknowledging it-you'd think he was sitting or had his back turned.

But for anyone to try to use that against him or even make that an issue is just pathetic. That man is unquestionably patriotic in every sense of what that word really means. If putting a hand over a heart is a test of patriotism I think our concerns are screwy and misplaced. There could be plenty of people placing a hand over a heart who have done some very unpatriotic things otherwise. And there are.
. Perfectly stated, MrsSpringsteen. If people use something this insignificant as a reason to not support a presidential candidate, I really wonder about their priorities.

As for the comment about how America "deserved" 9/11 because of the sort of reasoning mentioned in that article, all I have to say is this: Get a freakin' clue, people.

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How can he have such little experience and an inconsistent voting record? Please do tell.
A) his voting record is inconsistent.
B) A few years in the Senate is not enough experience to be President.

I don't see how the two things are related.
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A) his voting record is inconsistent.
B) A few years in the Senate is not enough experience to be President.

I don't see how the two things are related.
I think BVS was talking about the fact that he's not been in Senate long enough to have enough votes to be inconsistent.

I've heard nothing about him flip-flopping until you've said so, though.
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A) his voting record is inconsistent.
B) A few years in the Senate is not enough experience to be President.

I don't see how the two things are related.
Sometimes I wonder if you even read the posts that you respond to...

My question aimed at you was trying to get you to show me how within his few years in the Senate he's been able to already establish an inconsistent record. Examples please...
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i think they're being too hard on obama. perhaps that's where his heart is. i'm sure we've all seen the tshirt of this prototype.

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Well I wouldn't exactly put Rudy in the pro-choice category, he's catered everything else to the right, who knows he may have promised Robertson he'd change this as well. He changed his stance on gay marriage... we'll see.
I know what you're saying but I've watched him in a few of the debates where this came up.

He is pro-choice. He's certainly not trying to claim otherwise.

Yet.
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