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Old 09-28-2007, 12:21 PM   #31
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Last year, two sets of parents in Lexington sued the school district, claiming that the book amounted to teaching sex ed without parental consent.


so, like, is "Sleeping Beauty" also about sex?
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so, like, is "Sleeping Beauty" also about sex?
You don't remember my thread about that book?
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani compared the scrutiny of his personal life marked by three marriages to the biblical story of how Jesus dealt with an adulterous woman.

In an interview posted online Friday, Giuliani was questioned about his family and told the Christian Broadcasting Network, "I think there are some people that are very judgmental."

Giuliani has a daughter who indicated support for Democrat Barack Obama and a son who said he didn't speak to his father for some time. Giuliani's messy divorce from their mother, Donna Hanover, was waged publicly while Giuliani was mayor of New York.

"I'm guided very, very often about, `Don't judge others, lest you be judged,"' Giuliani told CBN interviewer David Brody. "I'm guided a lot by the story of the woman that was going to be stoned, and Jesus put the stones down and said, 'He that hasn't sinned, cast the first stone,' and everybody disappeared.

"It seems like nowadays in America, we have people that think they could've passed that test," he said. "And I don't think anybody could've passed that test but Jesus."

In the New Testament story, related in the Gospel of John, Jesus does not actually hold stones. The Pharisees bring Jesus a woman charged with adultery, reminding him the punishment for adultery is stoning. They are testing Jesus in an effort to charge him with breaking the law.

The Gospel reads: "But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, 'Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.'

"… And in response, they went away one by one, beginning with the elders."

Giuliani has insisted his family relationships are private. In 1968, he married his cousin, Regina Peruggi. They divorced 14 years later, and Giuliani obtained an annulment from the Catholic Church on the grounds that as second cousins, they should have received a dispensation to marry.

Giuliani married Hanover in 1984 and they divorced in 2002. He has been married to Judith Nathan since 2003.

Likewise, he says his faith is private, although he evokes his Catholic upbringing on the campaign trail.

He told CBN he believes in God and prays to Jesus for guidance and help.

"I have very, very strong views on religion that come about from having wanted to be a priest when I was younger, having studied theology for four years in college," he said. "It's an area I know really, really well academically.

"… And my personal view of it is I need God's help for everything, and I probably feel that the most when I'm in crisis and under pressure, like Sept. 11, when I was dealing with prostate cancer, or (when) I'm trying to explain death to people, which unfortunately I've had to do so often.

"So it's a very, very important part of my life," he said. "But I think in a democracy and in a government like ours, my religion is my way of looking at God, and other people have other ways of doing it, and some people don't believe in God. I think that's unfortunate. I think their life would be a lot fuller if they did, but they have that right."

Giuliani also addressed a cell phone call he took from his wife, Judith, last week during his speech to the National Rifle Association, an important appearance because Giuliani clashed with the group when he argued for tougher gun control as mayor of New York.

"And quite honestly, since Sept. 11, most of the time when we get on a plane, we talk to each other and just reaffirm the fact that we love each other," he said.

"Sometimes if I'm in the middle of a very, very sensitive meeting, I don't take the call right then; I wait. But I thought it would be kind of nice if I took it at that point, and I'd done that before in engagements, and I didn't realize it would create any kind of controversy," he said.
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I like the Democrats' position on gay issues. Gay rights was my first political issue. That and the environment. Mitt Romney can go to hell with his homophobia.
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This coming from the same guy that said Mitt would get most of the religious vote, and then later that Freddie would get it...
Mitt's not going to get the vote of this practicing Catholic. And the religious voters aren't going to like it that Freddie can't remember the Schiavo controversy. Catholics felt strongly about that.
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Poor Rudy.

It's hard belonging to a party that does nothing but cast stones at others.
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[q]"I'm guided very, very often about, `Don't judge others, lest you be judged,"' Giuliani told CBN interviewer David Brody. "I'm guided a lot by the story of the woman that was going to be stoned, and Jesus put the stones down and said, 'He that hasn't sinned, cast the first stone,' and everybody disappeared.

"It seems like nowadays in America, we have people that think they could've passed that test," he said. "And I don't think anybody could've passed that test but Jesus."[/q]




he's as uncomfortable with religion as Howard Dean was in 2004.
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And thats a bad thing?
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And thats a bad thing?


no. just funny.
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with racial tensions mounting due to recent events, i think it is cute that thompson, mccain, romney, and guliani refuse to debate at msu this week.
did you (or anyone else) watch that debate? which was the moron who compared abortion to Darfur?

I thought Ron Paul was pretty solid until he basically said we have no place in Darfur. I certainly agree we don't need to send troops there and we should try to get the UN more involved, but to say we don't have a place at all... I disagree.

Tancredo has got to be the dumbest of the bunch, though most of them came across as not people I want to be president. Still, some good points were made, and at least they actually bothered to show up.

Mitt Romney = douche

I will not endorse a candidate who is against gay marriage.
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Thompson/Gulianni vs Clinton/Webb
That's my prediction for now.
I'll go with Giuliani/Gingrich vs Clinton/Gephardt for now.
I think I picked Hillary vs Gingrich about a year ago.
I still don't buy Rudy being sold to the base but who the hell else?

Gingrich would help bring in the die-hard conservatives and sure up the Southerners.

Gephardt would hand Hillary a battleground state and further solidify the moderate midwest. The South is lost to them, forget Evan Bayh and others, not enough electoral votes to matter. There would be an outside chance of going West in normal situations but with the Reps hardline stance on immigration, I think they are going to struggle big time out there. She will not make the Gore/Kerry mistake in the VP process. Sorry, Obama.
Picking VP's is always a strange game anyways. The most they can really do is hurt you or hand you a State.

All that said, I don't count Romney out just yet.
I wouldn't even bury Huckabee before I'd bury McCain and FT.
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did you (or anyone else) watch that debate? which was the moron who compared abortion to Darfur?


I will not endorse a candidate who is against gay marriage.
Who compared abortion to Darfur? That's dumb. I won't vote for a candidate who's against gay marriage either.
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Giuliani

very well may be the GOP nominee

and I hope he is


everything Conservatives say about Hillary

is really true for Giuliani,
but only magnified by about 3 times


he is looking more and more

like Nosferatu


of course,
no one is paying attrention


but Giuliani just got caught in a plot trying to fix the 2008 Nov election

much like Bush and company fixed the 2000 election
where they were able to prevent Florida's electoral votes from going to Gore
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Gingrich is out. He says he's not running. It seems like he has a conflict of interest.
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It seems like he has a conflict of interest.
what would that be?

an I Q over 100?
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