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Old 10-23-2007, 10:42 AM   #376
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whenever someone uses the words sexual "orientation" and saying it is a "choice," they lose credibility with me. people should come up with terms that don't make them look foolish and contradictory.
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Gay people have to choose to engage in sexual activity, but, guess what, so do I as a straight woman! That has nothing to do with choosing their sexual orientation. I don't get what is so difficult to understand about that.


the thinking is that you aren't gay until you have gay sex. in fact, there are no gay people, there are just people who engage in homosexual "activity." there are no gay people, and no straight people, really. there are just people. and human sexuality is naturally and always heterosexual. any difference is really deviance, and can be attributed to a variety of things, but it all comes from living in a fallen world.

and this is the happy, charitable, hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner viewpoint.
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:02 PM   #378
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the thinking is that you aren't gay until you have gay sex. in fact, there are no gay people, there are just people who engage in homosexual "activity." there are no gay people, and no straight people, really. there are just people. and human sexuality is naturally and always heterosexual. any difference is really deviance, and can be attributed to a variety of things, but it all comes from living in a fallen world.

and this is the happy, charitable, hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner viewpoint.
That has honestly got to be the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard. Homosexuality and heterosexality are not activities. Sex is an activity, regardless of which gender a person chooses to engage in it with. I was straight before sex, and gosh darn it, I still am. For people so uptight about sex they sure do think about it a lot. It seems like sex is what they think holds a relationship together and that a relationship can't be real and passionate without sex (only in the missionary position of course ) I hear (and know) about a lot of Christians my age or just a little older getting married. There's nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but a lot of times the reason given is that they don't want to "sin", so they better get married. That way, they can have sex without the floor opening up and swallowing them down to hell. I think its wonderful if people wait until they're married to have sex; it's commendable, especially in today's society. Yet, if you're getting married just so you can have sex, you're better off not being married at all. Lust and romance fade. If there's not true love underneath it, good luck in holding the marriage together after that. It's no wonder that Conservative, evangelicals have a higher divorce rate than any one else.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...e_highest.html


(Sorry, that second part didn't have much to do with the topic at hand, but it's been bothering me lately. I suppose it fits in there in some way, though)
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:23 PM   #379
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has anybody been to huckabee's web site? it is perhaps the most hilarious thing i've seen in all day:

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I will fight the war on terror with the intensity and single-mindedness that it deserves.
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Our Founding Fathers, having endured the tyranny of the British Empire, wanted to guarantee our God-given liberties. They devised our three branches of government and our system of checks and balances. But they were still concerned that the system could fail, and that we might someday face a new tyranny from our own government. They wanted us to be able to defend ourselves, and that's why they gave us the Second Amendment.
is he saying he fears an onslaught from the SCOTUS or Congress? that we the people have the right to use our guns on our government leaders?


are people seriously supporting this guy?
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has anybody been to huckabee's web site? it is perhaps the most hilarious thing i've seen in all day:



single-mindedness is a good thing?



If the implied message is that he would have stayed on Osama (Obama) until he got him
instead of going into Iraq then it may not be a bad thing.
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or "single-mindedness" could mean he is no different than this current president and isn't going to give a rat's ass about anything that isn't in line with his way of thinking.
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Giuliani Defends, Employs Priest Accused of Molesting Teens
By BRIAN ROSS and AVNI PATEL ABC News

Oct. 23, 2007—

Presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani hired a Catholic priest to work in his consulting firm months after the priest was accused of sexually molesting two former students and an altar boy and told by the church to stop performing his priestly duties.

The priest, Monsignor Alan Placa, a longtime friend of Giuliani and the priest who officiated at his second wedding to Donna Hanover, continues to work at Giuliani Partners in New York, to the outrage of some of his accusers and victims' groups, which have begun to protest at Giuliani campaign events.

"This man did unjust things, and he's being protected and employed and taken care of. It's not a good thing," said one of the accusers, Richard Tollner, who says Placa molested him repeatedly when he was a student at a Long Island, N.Y. Catholic boys high school in 1975.

At a campaign appearance in Milwaukee last week, Giuliani continued to defend Placa, who he described to reporters as a close friend for 39 years.

"I know the man; I know who he is, so I support him," Giuliani said. "We give some of the worst people in our society the presumption of innocence and benefit of the doubt," he said. "And, of course, I'm going to give that to one of my closest friends."

The accusations against Placa were made in testimony before a Suffolk County grand jury in 2002.

Tollner, now a mortgage broker in Albany, N.Y., says he was one of three people to testify about Placa.

"This man harmed children. He still could do it. He deserves to be shown for what he was, or is," says Tollner.

Appearing publicly for the first time today on ABC News' "Good Morning America," Tollner says the abuse started when he and Placa were in the high school making posters for a Right to Life march.

"As he started to explain how these posters should be done, I realized that something was rubbing my body," Tollner said. "After a minute or two, I realized that he's feeling me, feeling me in my genital area."

The grand jury report concluded that a Priest F, who Tollner says is Placa, abused the boys sexually "again and again and again."

"Priest F was cautious, but relentless in his pursuit of victims. He fondled boys over their clothes, usually in his office," the report said.

The report concluded that Priest F, and several other priests under investigation from the same Long Island, N.Y. diocese, could not be prosecuted because the statute of limitations had expired.

Several former students from the same high school say they were asked by the "Giuliani organization" to contact ABC News and vouch for Placa.

"There was absolutely not a hint of rumor of a speculation or a whisper, in four years, or in decades after of any sexual predatoriness on the part of Rev. Placa," wrote Matthew Hogan in an e-mail to ABCNews.com.

Hogan says he recalls that Placa did give "special attention" to his former schoolmate Richard Tollner and remembers seeing Tollner in Placa's office "laughing, on opposite sides of a desk with Mr. Tollner happily animated sitting up on the couch talking."

But Hogan says the school area where Tollner says he was molested "was constantly trafficked even on off days and hours."

"I will gladly help take apart in public anything that seriously overlooks the above. I'll be watching The Blotter like a hawk," Hogan wrote.

In addition to the allegations that Priest F was personally involved in the sexual abuse, the grand jury also said that Priest F became instrumental in a church policy that used "deception and intimidation" to keep the church scandal quiet.


Placa served as a lawyer for the diocese in dealing with allegations of abuse against other priests and, according to the grand jury report, claimed he had saved the church hundreds of thousands of dollars in his handling of possible litigation.

Lawyers for alleged victims say Placa would often conduct interviews, in his priest garb, without making it clear he was the church lawyer.

"He was a wolf in sheep's clothing," said Melanie Little, a lawyer for several alleged victims of sexual abuse by other priests in the diocese.

"He was more concerned with protecting the priests, protecting the reputation of the diocese and protecting the church coffers than he was protecting the children," said Little.

Since going to work for Giuliani Partners, the former mayor and the priest have continued to be close.

Placa accompanied Giuliani and his wife Judith on a trip to Rome earlier this year.

Through a spokeswoman at Giuliani Partners, Sunny Mindel, Placa declined requests to comment on the allegations to ABCNews.com.

Mindel also declined to specify what Placa does for the firm or how much he is paid.

"Mr. Giuliani can do what he wants with his money, but he has to pay the price for people like myself who disagree with employing known child molesters," Tollner said.

While no longer allowed to perform priestly duties or appear in public as a priest, Placa continues to maintain a residence at a church rectory in Great Neck on New York's Long Island.

According to New York property records, Placa also co-owns, with another priest, a waterfront apartment in lower Manhattan in Battery Park City, valued at more than $500,000.
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BOSTON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate and die-hard Yankees fan Rudy Giuliani says he'll be rooting for the Red Sox in the World Series.

Giuliani made the admission during a campaign stop in Boston today, but insisted that he wasn't doing it just because he was in Massachusetts."

The former New York mayor said he's an American League fan, so would always root for the American League team in the World Series unless they were playing the New York Mets.
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Ohhhh Rudy, Don't you know that the quickest way to get the Christian Right to turn on you is to get too close to those crazy Catholics?
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I'm more outraged about his sports bigamy than anything! Both New York teams? The Red Sox? Hating the National League?

Now I couldn't even vote for him over another Republican.
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Cleveland Plain Dealer

Shirley MacLaine claims Kucinich had UFO encounter
Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Mark Naymik
Plain Dealer Politics Writer

Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich has claimed to have seen a UFO, according to Shirley MacLaine in her new book, "Sage-Ing While Age-Ing."

Kucinich "had a close sighting over my home in Graham, Washington, when I lived there," the actress, a close Kucinich friend, wrote. "Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him.

"It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind."

Kucinich's campaign and congressional representatives did not return calls and e-mail asking whether the Cleveland Democrat, now in his sixth congressional term, in fact saw a UFO or if there was some other explanation for MacLaine's recollection.

MacLaine is a well-known believer of UFOs and reincarnation. And she has been close to Kucinich for decades. MacLaine is the godmother of Kucinich's daughter and attended Kucinich's 2005 Cleveland wedding to third wife, Elizabeth, who's often campaigning by his side.

MacLaine also recommended in the 1980s that Kucinich visit New Mexico spiritual adviser Chris Griscom, whom MacLaine featured in her then-best-selling book, "Dancing in the Light," describing how Griscom helped her communicate with trees. Kucinich has insisted that Griscom was not his spiritual adviser but a "teacher and a very good friend."

MacLaine, who shares Kucinich's opposition to using weapons in space, doesn't shed any more light in her book on Kucinich's close encounter, including when it happened. Her book goes on sale next month.
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Shirley doens't know she's not helping.
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I think if any candidate has had an encounter with aliens it's Mitt Romney-in fact he might even be one
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