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Old 10-10-2007, 03:45 PM   #286
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From what I know that 3 of the Commandments are still incoporated into US Law.
You mean there are three common sense laws that are very similar to the 10 commandments, but what about these countries that have these same laws but never heard of the 10 commandments?
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Also many towns and some States have a "Blue Law" meaning businesses are closed on the Sunday or the Sabbath as most Christians understand the what the Sabbath now is-(this is not your cue maycocksean).
Yeah and most of these are gone...
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Adultrey used to be against US Law until recently, that's why Frank Sinatra was arrested, notre Mr. Deep's avatar.
Still is in parts of the Middle East, did they copy us?


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As far as "Seperation of Church and State" that statement is not in the Constitution, a lot of the minions on the Left assume it is, BUT IT'S NOT.

What the founders wanted was not to have a "Church of The United States" siimilar to "The Church Of England" from which the colonists of our country ran from.
Yes this is nice twist of words the right has made over the past few decades.


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And with Obama speaking in a church about politics, that was crossing the line.

Mitt has never gave a polictical speech in a church, nor have any of the conservatives running for office this season-that I know of. If the did-they would be excoriated by the Left, and if you were honest-you would admit these facts.
You are right, I really didn't like Obama speaking in the church but politicians have been doing it for years. Mitt probably won't because it would ruin his campaign, he has to be very careful about his religion. As far as the others, I haven't heard of any yet, but give it time...
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You are right, I really didn't like Obama speaking in the church but politicians have been doing it for years. I haven't heard of any yet, but give it time...
Well, I'm glad we agree on something.
Until a consevative does this there really isn't much to add, but I'm sure if one does, FYM will explode.

Until then, cheers.

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You don't want to address any of the points any of us made other than to focus on Obama?
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I think the way Bush (and some other conservatives) mixes up religion and politics is worth exploding over. As soon as any Democrat uses it in the same manner, I will explode over it.
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Until a consevative does this there really isn't much to add,
You're speaking about purely this campaign?

Because if you think a conservative never has you are sadly, sadly mistaken...
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No kidding. It's sort of like with that MoveOn ad, I loved hearing conservatives complain about it-yeah, 'cause they've never done anything similar in the past, right? Their political ads have always been free of controversy. Uh-huh.

(And for what it's worth, I don't care if it's MoveOn or some conservative political group, I'd support both sides' right to free speech)

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I think the way Bush (and some other conservatives) mixes up religion and politics is worth exploding over. As soon as any Democrat uses it in the same manner, I will explode over it.
Exactly. Maybe there will be some people out there who might act hypocritical on this issue, diamond, it wouldn't surprise me if that happened. But I won't-I get really uneasy when any political candidate tries to incorporate their religious beliefs into their politics, because all that usually winds up meaning is that they're trying to force their beliefs on other people. Candidates can believe whatever they want religion-wise, I don't care. Just do not push it on anybody else. Do not use it to make laws that fit your religious worldview. That's not fair to those who aren't of your faith. Period. End of story.

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You know Diamond has nothing to bring to the discussion when photos start popping up...






This was one of your saddest attempts.

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Oh well, at least he didn't post a picture referring to me as a witch and/or a shrew
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Well said, Angela. I'm uneasy over mixing religion and politics. Americans are of diverse religious views. This is not a "Christian country". Hell, there's a Muslim, Keith Ellison, in Congress. He's an American, too. There are Jewish people in Congress. Russ Feingold, one of my favorite Senators, is Jewish. Whatever you think of Joe Lieberman, and he's not one of my favorite Senators because he's too hawkish, is also Jewish. I do admire the man's guts and think he's basically very honest and sincere. Let's be fair to these people.
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Clinton vows to check executive power
Would curb use of signing statements

By Marcella Bombardieri, Globe Staff | October 11, 2007

Senator Hillary Clinton said yesterday that if she is elected president, she intends to roll back President Bush's expansion of executive authority, including his use of presidential signing statements to put his own interpretation on bills passed by Congress or to claim authority to disobey them entirely.

"I think you have to restore the checks and balances and the separation of powers, which means reining in the presidency," Clinton told the Boston Globe's editorial board.

Although Bush has issued hundreds of signing statements, declarations that accompany his signature on bills approved by Congress, Clinton said she would use the statements only to clarify bills that might be confusing or contradictory. She also said she did not subscribe to the "unitary executive" theory that argues the Constitution prevents Congress from passing laws limiting the president's power over executive branch operations. Adherents to the theory say any president who refuses to obey such laws is not really breaking the law.

"It has been a concerted effort by the vice president, with the full acquiescence of the president, to create a much more powerful executive at the expense of both branches of government and of the American people," she said.

In the wide-ranging interview, the senator, a Democrat of New York, also said her policy on Russia would focus on influencing that nation's role in the world rather than trying to halt its internal move away from democracy. She would seek Russia's help negotiating with Iran over its suspected nuclear weapons program, she said, and try to prevent Russia from "being a problem in the Middle East" or bullying its neighbors.

"I'm interested in what Russia does outside its borders first," she said. "I don't think I can, as the president of the United States, wave my hand and tell the Russian people they should have a different government."

Clinton decried what she called Bush's "incoherent" policy on Russia, saying the president was "naive" to rely so strongly on his personal relationship with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

Clinton was asked about a statement she made on Tuesday when criticizing the Bush administration's conduct in Iraq. She said she hadn't known that Blackwater USA, the military contractor accused of killing more than a dozen Iraqi civilians last month, had immunity from prosecution in Iraq because of an exemption approved soon after the US invasion.

"Maybe I should have known about it; I did not know about it," she said yesterday.

Asked if that suggested she, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was not sufficiently vigilant on the contractors issue, she said she has been raising questions about contractors for several years and opposed the government's use of them.

On domestic priorities, Clinton pitched her proposals on Medicare reform and scientific research and said she would unveil a plan today to make college more affordable.

Clinton recently floated the idea of issuing a $5,000 bond to each baby born in the United States to help pay for college and a first home, but it immediately inspired Republican ridicule and she quickly said she would not implement the proposal.

She defended that decision yesterday, saying she is focusing on proposals with more political support and she is not formally proposing anything she can't fund without increasing the deficit: "I have a million ideas. The country can't afford them all."

Responding to statements by some Democratic rivals that she is not electable because her negative ratings are too high, she pointed to her increasing lead in national polls. "I am winning," she said. "That's a good place to start."

She sketched out a road to victory in the general election, if she becomes the Democratic nominee, saying she expected to win every state that Senator John F. Kerry won in 2004, plus Florida, Ohio, Arkansas, and probably Louisiana, New Mexico, and Nevada.

"I believe," she said, "that both my theory and my strategy, and my track record and how I'm doing right now, really adds up to a very compelling argument that I will actually win."
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I'm liking her more and more...
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I've been conflicted on Hilary. But I like this article regarding her.

Also, I just want to say that Ron Paul's position on everything regarding the war on terror makes me a very happy person. It'll kill his chances of getting far in the Republican race, but good to see him stick to his position anyway.

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Well said, Angela. I'm uneasy over mixing religion and politics. Americans are of diverse religious views. This is not a "Christian country". Hell, there's a Muslim, Keith Ellison, in Congress. He's an American, too. There are Jewish people in Congress. Russ Feingold, one of my favorite Senators, is Jewish. Whatever you think of Joe Lieberman, and he's not one of my favorite Senators because he's too hawkish, is also Jewish. I do admire the man's guts and think he's basically very honest and sincere. Let's be fair to these people.
Thanks, and well said to you, too . It's nice to have some diversity in our politicians, would make for one hell of a boring race otherwise.

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I'm still holding out for Mr. Gore. Hoping he will at the very least, not close the door on the idea of him running when he goes in front of the press today to discuss his winning of the Peace Prize.
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