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Old 10-10-2007, 01:13 AM   #271
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Thou shall not steal?
Thou shall not bear false witness?
Thou shall not kill/murder (the innocent)?

umm hello?
That's pretty weak, but I'm sure you realized that after you typed it.

30%, if that much, and like Sean said, most countries have those...

Do some research!!!
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Old 10-10-2007, 01:23 AM   #272
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And Mitt comes up large in Michigan debate:

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Old 10-10-2007, 01:25 AM   #273
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Then that fact tells me there is a God of us all.
And Audeltry used to be against US law, still frowned upon by most US citizens -unless you're a guest talk show host on The View

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And blasphemy? Is that to be against the law as well - should erase the first amendment for that

How about coveting your neighbours posessions? Goodbye aspiration in a capitalist society

Honouring father and mother? Im sure that one should be enforced, in fact abused children should be at fault in those cases since child abuse never made the top 10 laws of Jesusland.

No idolatry? Time to ship those bloody Buddhists out of the country, for starters.

Keep the Sabbath holy? Again, shut down the whole country for that time, it would be mad!

Thou shalt not murder? One size fits all rule given to us from God - of course the concept of upholding the individual rights that we get by consensually engaging with society and state without a God based cause to be could arguably be as effective - or not, it seems a lot simpler if God says so.

All the coveting ones are bloody hard to enforce, short of mind reading - but aspirational freethinkers are totally not what built America anyway and getting rid of them should do wonders, the idolatry one sort of slices through the establishment clause and the rest are by no means unequivocally bad every single time (judging cases upon their merits can be better done in an imperfect secular system of laws than one that claims to be perfect).

Arguing that the law is derived or justified in some manner from God and favouring the extension of it to match that belief goes dead against the model of Government that America was able to institute and preserve for centuries (with obvious exceptions - but it was still ahead of the game on a number of points). While pulling quotes from the 18th Century that use the parlance of God or explicitely refer to the Christian God and ethic may seem critical they are trumped by both the explicit wording of the documents as well as the presence of naturalistic minded men among the drafters (not believing in an interventionist God in a world before Darwin is more significant than the opposite).

Secularism preserves your right to worship and to live your life according to your religious beliefs, at the same time it alows others to do the same (or not); it protects the liberties of all, and the vigilance of groups like the ACLU is what keeps it alive.
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I think the logic is that you can go against God's Commandments if you do it in God's name.
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*Nods* Just look at the wars going on right now for proof of that one.

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Re last nights debate, Time has Mitt coimng in 2nd:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/20...669823,00.html
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Sorry to disapoint you guys but a lot of the US laws are based on the 10 Commandments.

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You're missing the entire point.
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Washington, the old cliché goes, is Hollywood for ugly people—a mecca for ambitious strivers who lack the cheekbones or the glamour to make it to the silver screen. But that was before wall-to-wall media coverage turned presidential campaigns into lengthy spectacles as relentlessly contrived and overproduced as the Golden Globes. Managed by fleets of pricey handlers and professional writers, candidates have become as manufactured as move stars: coached on every aspect of their dress and demeanor, and supplied with perky sound-bites for spontaneous delivery on Letterman.

http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-..._obama_mit.php

Which is why, as we set out to plan the cover of Radar's Politics issue, it seemed appropriate to do a little facile packaging of our own. What better way to underline the ego, excess, and artifice that dominate modern politics than to borrow a page from Vanity Fair's now-notorious 2006 Hollywood issue, which starred Tom Ford, Keira Knightley, and Scarlett Johansson in various states of undress? True, on our cover, Hillary may lack Knightley's porcelain visage, and Barack makes for a jarringly beefy ScoJo, but they, and the other contenders for the 2008 election, do have a few attributes to recommend them. Washington may well be Hollywood for ugly people, but, as John McCain once gamely noted, "Hollywood is Washington for the simpleminded."

This is an excerpt from the November issue of Radar Magazine.
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Sorry to disapoint you guys but a lot of the US laws are based on the 10 Commandments.

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Oh, come on, diamond, U.S. law is based on English common law, not the Ten Commandments. The Constitution explicitly states that no religion shall be established. The Founding Fathers were deists. There's a famous picture of Benjamin Franklin having his grandson blessed by Voltaire, the great writer who fought against religious bigotry in France.
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Are you saying that English common law did not incorporate some of the principles found in the 10 Commandments?

And you don't think the founding fathers took some of those philosophies and incorporated them into US law?
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Are you saying that English common law did not incorporate some of the principles found in the 10 Commandments?

And you don't think the founding fathers took some of those philosophies and incorporated them into US law?
Why do you keep ignoring everyone's posts?

Look at Wanderer's post, look at Sean's post, hell just ask anyone who's read the constitution...
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I did.
From what I know that 3 of the Commandments are still incoporated into US Law.

Also many towns and some States have a "Blue Law" meaning businesses are closed on the Sunday or the Sabbath as most Christians understand the what the Sabbath now is-(this is not your cue maycocksean).

Adultrey used to be against US Law until recently, that's why Frank Sinatra was arrested, notre Mr. Deep's avatar.

So there are half of the Commandments listed for you that have been incotporated into US Law, nationally or locally -until recently.

As far as "Seperation of Church and State" that statement is not in the Constitution, a lot of the minions on the Left assume it is, BUT IT'S NOT.

What the founders wanted was not to have a "Church of The United States" siimilar to "The Church Of England" from which the colonists of our country ran from.

And with Obama speaking in a church about politics, that was crossing the line.




Mitt has never gave a polictical speech in a church, nor have any of the conservatives running for office this season-that I know of. If the did-they would be excoriated by the Left, and if you were honest-you would admit these facts.

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I did.
From what I know that 3 of the Commandments are still incoporated into US Law.

Also many towns and some States have a "Blue Law" meaning businesses are closed on the Sunday or the Sabbath as most Christians understand the what the Sabbath now is-(this is not your cue maycocksean).

Adultrey used to be against US Law until recently, that's why Frank Sinatra was arrested, notre Mr. Deep's avatar.

So there are half of the Commandments listed for you that have been incotporated into US Law, nationally or locally -until recently.

As far as "Seperation of Church and State" that statement is not in the Constitution, a lot of the minions on the Left assume it is, BUT IT'S NOT.

What the founders wanted was not to have a "Church of The United States" siimilar to "The Church Of England" from which the colonists of our country ran from.

And with Obama speaking in a church about politics, that was crossing the line.

Mitt has never gave a polictical speech in a church, nor have any of the conservatives running for office this season-that I know of. If the did-they would be excoriated by the Left, and if you were honest-you would admit these facts.

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So much wrong with this post...

1) Again, again, again, moderates and those on the Left would be upset if he tried to make religious beliefs into law. Such as a ban on same-sex marriage.

2) We know that separation of Church and state isn't in the written Constitution. Doesn't mean it isn't a policy.

3) Why should those with alternate religions or no religions be governed by the laws of other religions?

4) Haven't most here said they didn't like Obama making that speech there?

5) We know that laws of the United States do have some parallels to the Ten Commandments followed by some religions. You don't have to point them out. They're not relevant to what we are saying.
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