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Old 10-09-2007, 08:27 PM   #256
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No.

That speaking in a church by a politician is diametrically opposed to the liberals' oft repeated mantra of "seperation of church and state."

That you guys took no offense of it wreaks of hypocrisy.

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okay actually i'm more offended from what you said. why do you assume that liberals are godless? you have no idea. you need to stop with that. some liberals do go to church. if a politican wants to go there and, once again, engage in discussion with like-minded people about like-minded ideals, then what is the problem?

i have no problems with politicians being of any sort of religion. i'm not mccain. what i don't want is a narrow minded interpretation of christian idealology being used to create law enforced discrimination.
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Well to be fair, I don't think he was saying liberals are godless(at least this time, he's made references to it several times in the past though). I just think he's trying to point out some hypocrisy that he thinks he sees.

Speaking in a church does seem to cross a gray line of separation of church and state, but I didn't see anything about making legislation... that's something Diamond doesn't seem to understand.
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okay actually i'm more offended from what you said. why do you assume that liberals are godless? enforced discrimination.
No.
That is a misread on your part.

I only pointed out most liberals would have a conniption if a conservative were campaigning in a church-(espousing what their beliefs and understanding of Christianity were)-and if you're honest you'll admit it's true.

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I think the issue is that theo-lefties blind spots on such issues are a generally lot smaller than those with religious conservatives.
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No.
That is a misread on your part.

I only pointed out most liberals would have a conniption if a conservative were campaigning in a church-(espousing what their beliefs and understanding of Christianity were)-and if you're honest you'll admit it's true.

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No. Just if they were trying to base law off a religion specific idea.
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No.
That is a misread on your part.

I only pointed out most liberals would have a conniption if a conservative were campaigning in a church-(espousing what their beliefs and understanding of Christianity were)-and if you're honest you'll admit it's true.

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BS. As has been pointed out repeatedly, most liberals don't have a problem with someone being religious or even speaking at a church, it's when they try and turn their religious beliefs into law that liberals see a big problem.

But go on ignoring that.
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BS. As has been pointed out repeatedly, most liberals don't have a problem with someone being religious or even speaking at a church, it's when they try and turn their religious beliefs into law that liberals see a big problem.
Bingo.

(And for that matter, while atheists obviously wouldn't share their beliefs in a church, I'd raise some hell (uh...no pun intended) if an atheist tried to push their beliefs on others, too)

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That you guys took no offense of it wreaks of hypocrisy.

i didn't like it either.

but i'm less concerned by it because, based upon his words and deeds, it appears as if Obama has arrived at faith through an intellectual process, as opposed to an in-muh-guts-i'm-an-alcoholic-and-a-total-failure-in-comparison-to-my-Poppy conversion (thinking W, here).

it also wasn't particularly Jesus-y. this is why most people are fine with vague notions of "god" or a "creator" but start to draw the line when we get all specific and, thus, exclusionary.
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Sorry to disapoint you guys but a lot of the US laws are based on the 10 Commandments.

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Sorry to disapoint you guys but a lot of the US laws are based on the 10 Commandments.

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Do some research...



Tell me how many of these are made law. And of those, which ones don't make common sense?





Oh, the uninformed...
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Thou shall not steal?
Thou shall not bear false witness?
Thou shall not kill/murder (the innocent)?

umm hello?
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Sorry to disapoint you guys but a lot of the US laws are based on the 10 Commandments.

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Correction: Some laws in the U.S. are SIMILAR to those in the 10 commandments. But then those laws are found in just about every government on the planet.

Unless like you'd like to suggest that red China allows its citizens to slay each other in the streets, given their godless background.

And really when you think about it, there's really only three commandments that are reflected in our laws of the land. No stealing. No killing. No false witness. The rest have not been codified into any kind of law as far as I know (at least not in this country).
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Correction: Some laws in the U.S. are SIMILAR to those in the 10 commandments. But then those laws are found in just about every government on the planet.

Then that fact tells me there is a God of us all.
And Audeltry used to be against US law, still frowned upon by most US citizens -unless you're a guest talk show host on The View

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And Mitt comes up large in Michigan debate:

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