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Old 10-04-2007, 09:24 AM   #196
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1. Edwards
2. Clinton
3. Gavel

A bit surprised, but meh.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:57 AM   #197
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Why is the latest ABC News-Washington Post poll released Wednesday different from all other polls? Because it shows Sen. Hillary Clinton passing a significant political milestone.

For the first time, a majority of Democrats nationwide supports Clinton for their party's nomination. Clinton's support in the Washington Post-ABC News poll jumped 12 points from last month, to 53 percent. She's 33 points ahead of her closest competitor, Sen. Barack Obama.

That establishes Clinton as the clear national front-runner. Being front-runner means being a target of criticism from other Democrats.

"I heard Sen. Clinton say on Sunday that she wants to continue combat missions in Iraq. To me that's a continuation of the war," her Democratic presidential rival John Edwards said about her views on Iraq in a debate last month.

Obama attacked her attempt to reform the health care system during her husband's administration. "Part of the reason it was lonely, Hillary, was because you closed the door to a lot of potential allies in that process,'' Obama said.

But does it mean she's likely to get the nomination?

Well, yes, if you look at the record. Which CNN did going back to the 1980 election. Every candidate who has gotten majority support in polls taken the year before the election has gone on to win the nomination.

Al Gore and George Bush both reached 50 percent in their parties in 1999. So did Bob Dole in 1995, George H.W. Bush in 1991 and 1987, and Walter Mondale in 1983.

One partial exception: In 1979, a majority of Democrats supported Ted Kennedy for the 1980 nomination -- until the Iran hostage crisis in November. Then most Democrats switched to Jimmy Carter, who went on to get the Democratic nomination.

What's behind the Clinton surge? Fifty-seven percent of Democrats think she's the candidate with the best chance to win the White House. That number went up 14 points in September. She also leads as the candidate who best reflects the Democratic Party's values.

What's happening in the Republican race? Rudy Giuliani's lead is growing. It's now 34 percent. Fred Thompson jumped into second place when he got in the race last month, but he seems to have stalled (17 percent).

What's behind Giuliani's gains? Same as Clinton -- electability. Republicans pick Giuliani as having the best chance to win in November.

But does Giuliani best reflect his party's values? Twenty-three percent of Republicans say he does. Twenty-six percent say Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, does. Twenty-one percent pick Thompson.

Giuliani looks like a winner to Republicans. But many Republicans are not sure he's one of them. That's not a problem most Democrats have with Hillary Clinton.

The ABC News-Post poll is a national poll. National polls mean more than they used to. That's because of the frontloaded campaign calendar. The country is moving closer and closer to a national primary.

The ABC News-Post polls, conducted September 27-30, had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points and involved telephone interviews with a national random sample of 1,114 adults.
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she does look unstoppable.

but we can't totally toss aside Obama's doners and fundraising ability. her support may be wide, but at this stage in the game when most people haven't yet taken a hard look at the candidates, it might also be shallow.

and if she were to get the nomination, i think she'd be foolish to pass up a VP Obama. he might not bring any swing electoral votes (like Richardson might) but he can bring the cash.
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According to yesterday's Times, though, she's gone ahead in "fundraising ability." whatever that is.
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she does look unstoppable.
It's early yet..
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Well, that was pretty sexist.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:51 PM   #202
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And yet they say PC ruins humour.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:55 PM   #203
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Obama, may get a pass on this.

The press seems to like him.

and the GOP would rather go up against him instead of Hillary.



But, a Presidential Candidate that won't wear the flag.

We have troops that are dying, for our country.

Will he say the "Pledge to the Flag"?






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By DAVID WRIGHT and SUNLEN MILLER
Oct. 4, 2007 —


An eagle-eyed reporter for the ABC affiliate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, noticed something missing from Democratic presidential contender Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., lapels.

"You don't have the American flag pin on. Is that a fashion statement?" the reporter asked, at the end of a brief interview with Obama. "Those have been on politicians since Sept. 12, 2001."

The standard political reply to that question might well have been, "My patriotism speaks for itself."

But Obama didn't say that.

Instead the Illinois senator answered the question at length, explaining that he no longer wears such a pin, at least in part, because of the Iraq War.

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.
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Good for him, they always rubbed me the wrong way. Like people were trying too hard.
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I'll start posting some nasty lil pictures in regard to Mormons and we'll see how funny some people think they are. Someone is desperate for some attention The "joke" ceased to be funny a long time ago, at least for me.
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It's early yet..
Better than what's currently in office...
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Does one need to wear a flag pin to be patriotic? I don't wear a flag pin, and I consider myself patriotic.
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It's early yet..
Yeah, but 33 points is a pretty humongous lead.
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Ooh, Socialism.. Communism-everybody get under your desks, duck and cover!

By Abdon Pallasch
Sun-Times Political Writer

GLEN ELLYN, Ill. -At a suburban Chicago community college, Republican Rudy Giuliani campaigned Thursday as if the primary elections were over and his only opponent for president was Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Giuliani, speaking at the College of DuPage, repeatedly slammed "HillaryCare" as "socialized medicine" and accused the Democratic frontrunner of supporting "socialism" for her proposal to give every American $5,000 when they are born as a college account.

"If the shoe fits ... You want to give 5 grand to everyone born in the United States. Tell me that isn't socialism," Giuliani said.

Former New York Mayor Giuliani and Clinton, a Senator from New York, have fund-raisers a few block apart in Chicago Thursday.
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