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Old 09-30-2008, 01:29 AM   #691
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he's a well paid right wing shill.

he has an agenda to promote just like Rush, Coulter, etc.

he's more intellectual than they are, yes, but he's offering the same straw men and working under the same false assumptions and trying to manufacture the same false outrage.
My experiences are from Canada and what Horowitz says looks very recognizable to me. I need much more convincing that there are just as many liberal bashers in school as conservative bashers in the U.S. These guys often don't even hide their bias and go on power trips. That example I posted before shows a guy that wasn't even fired for Palin bashing. His bias was actually a little worse than what I experienced. At least my teacher tried to hide his bias and didn't target a particular political candidate. He just targeted students with his marks and comments on the assignments he handed back.
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There is legal representation but it's done through the military so critics want a civilian system. I just don't care about people trying to kill our soldiers on the battlefield. If you get caught on the battlefield then what were you doing there
People don't understand the beauty of the criminal justice system: if they're indisputably holding guilty, evil war criminals at Guantanamo Bay, these would be the easiest convictions ever. If all these guys were indisputably enemy combatants, it should be trivial for courts to prove their guilt.

So....I wonder why the Bush Admin has tried so hard to prevent this?

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Well then it means you don't think the military got any information out of it then. They said they did but it's very unpopular.
That's also their only justification to avoid prosecution as war criminals. If they said they DIDN'T get any useful info, then no one would support them when they try to avoid being prosecuted as war criminals. To wit: the ones who could be prosecuted say their efforts were justified, but other interrogators (like the WW2 Nazi interrogators) without the specter of prosecution say their job never needed it.
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I just don't care about people trying to kill our soldiers on the battlefield.
This is the assumption I find scary. This implies that every person arrested by the US is guilty without any proof needed, so long as they're a foreigner.
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War costs time effort and money. Informants could also be wrong or have old information but not following up would also be criticized.

I don't know guys how to fight a perfect war. Certainly Petraeus has got a clue on how to in Iraq. Tipoffs on Saddam yielded nothing for a long time until it did. I'm sure it did cost lots of money and manpower.
We're in this mess due to bad intelligence, period.
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This is the assumption I find scary. This implies that every person arrested by the US is guilty without any proof needed, so long as they're a foreigner.
One thing I've learned from Purple, if you aren't right wing North Americans, you're a bunch of socialists and you are the enemy.
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This is the assumption I find scary. This implies that every person arrested by the US is guilty without any proof needed, so long as they're a foreigner.
The battlefield. Not just because they are foreigners.
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The battlefield. Not just because they are foreigners.
Like Maher Arar on the battlefield?
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He does'nt want to talk about Arar because it disqualifies his one sided arguement.

You should know that Anitram!
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One thing I've learned from Purple, if you aren't right wing North Americans, you're a bunch of socialists and you are the enemy.
Obama's moral equivalency with Russia and the U.S. regarding Georgia adds fuel to the fire. No wonder Russia wants to give nuclear power to Venezuela. The U.S. is showing weakness in their eyes. Some in the left may have good intentions but it's not helping. Even inviting Ahmadinejad to universities gives him more clout. Terrorists openly express hope for left wing successes in elections like in Spain, even if it requires bombs to nudge the population. There are terrorists that use Democratic party talking points. I hope that Barack will move to the right if he gets in power and stops looking to be popular around the world. In some countries it's not good to be popular.

Let's be honest the left want to increase social programs. Why say you are not of that point of view when the prescriptions by the democratic party are the same as what socialists would recommend? If we elect left wing parties won't they propose more government intervention in the economy? If we keep electing them won't there be more?
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Obama's moral equivalency with Russia and the U.S. regarding Georgia adds fuel to the fire. No wonder Russia wants to give nuclear power to Venezuela. The U.S. is showing weakness in their eyes. Some in the left may have good intentions but it's not helping. Even inviting Ahmadinejad to universities gives him more clout. Terrorists openly express hope for left wing successes in elections like in Spain, even if it requires bombs to nudge the population. There are terrorists that use Democratic party talking points. I hope that Barack will move to the right if he gets in power and stops looking to be popular around the world. In some countries it's not good to be popular.

Let's be honest the left want to increase social programs. Why say you are not of that point of view when the prescriptions by the democratic party are the same as what socialists would recommend? If we elect left wing parties won't they propose more government intervention in the economy? If we keep electing them won't there be more?
You are delusional
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He does'nt want to talk about Arar because it disqualifies his one sided arguement.

You should know that Anitram!
Silly me.
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Like Maher Arar on the battlefield?
You must be thinking of Khadr. Arar wasn't on the battlefield. He was talking to a suspect Abdullah Almalki and he became a "person of interest". RCMP information was sent to the U.S. wrongly and the U.S. acted on it. Though talking to Almalki is suspect in of itself they didn't have any direct evidence of collaboration that I know of. He wasn't armed and attacking soldiers.

Khadr was caught on the battlefield and Canadians wanted him to come back because he was technically a citizen and most importantly in their eyes underage. Canadians have less harsh sentencing of youth criminals and they didn't want him tried in the U.S.
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Obama's moral equivalency with Russia and the U.S. regarding Georgia adds fuel to the fire. No wonder Russia wants to give nuclear power to Venezuela. The U.S. is showing weakness in their eyes. Some in the left may have good intentions but it's not helping. Even inviting Ahmadinejad to universities gives him more clout. Terrorists openly express hope for left wing successes in elections like in Spain, even if it requires bombs to nudge the population. There are terrorists that use Democratic party talking points. I hope that Barack will move to the right if he gets in power and stops looking to be popular around the world. In some countries it's not good to be popular.

Let's be honest the left want to increase social programs. Why say you are not of that point of view when the prescriptions by the democratic party are the same as what socialists would recommend? If we elect left wing parties won't they propose more government intervention in the economy? If we keep electing them won't there be more?





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You must be thinking of Khadr. Arar wasn't on the battlefield.
You're clearly missing my sarcasm.

My point is that your torture arguments don't hold true with Maher Arar at all, but you keep pushing them nonetheless.

Next time you talk to the wrong person but do nothing wrong, why not torture you for a year or so and then we'll see if you change your mind.
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There's no delusion here. Just look at Dion, May, Layton and their platforms. Their spending would put Canada into a deficit. This social spending is socialism. The government runs 40% of the GDP of Canada and they want MORE. That's not delusion.
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