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Old 09-26-2008, 11:40 PM   #571
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Mainstream media's bias is nowhere close to Rush's bias. If you are honestly suggesting that Rush's bias is comparable to the bias at NBC, ABC etc, you have lost all credibility on this one.
If you are a fair minded and you understand politics you can't tell me what is happening to Palin is not over the top? ABC edited her transcripts to try to make her look bad, they allowed left-wing bloggers to question Palin's son's paternity. Isn't it obvious who's kid it was? MSNBC had to fire staff who were overly biased. The New York Times did so too. What about Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas? What about 90% of the artist community using their celebrity status on TV?

Rush Limbaugh is supplying a demand for news and opinions of a conservative nature. He's not trying to make an ABC. It's the "Rush Limbaugh show for Advanced Conservative studies." He's a pundit. If the major networks were so fair people would feel their opinions were given equal say and Rush would be out of a job. He's popular and wealthy because there is a HUGE demand for what he does. He's not indoctrinating conservatives. Conservatives are rising him up because they get what they need from him. Conservatives don't agree with him on everything, but they at least have a platform to respond to attacks in the other venues.

Certainly immigration and the war were sticking points for his show and he had to ride that one out. The overspending the Republicans were doing was a huge irritant for conservatives and they are trying to go back to the basics with Palin. McCain has also pushed for vetoing bad spending.

This push for Conservative media has been going on for sometime and it's now in the past 10 years showing up more openly. Especially on Fox news.

I know socialists. I've been to university and seen teachers give conservatives low marks simply for their opinions, including myself. They should be marking for knowledge of the subject, not political views. Some left wing professors weren't so bad but that was under threats from parents and students.

Socialists don't like equal opportunity for ideas because they don't believe it. They know that having only one point of view enmasse will convince most people just from saturation. It makes sense they would want to dominate media. Not all people are influenced by it, but the more people are uneducated of the issues the more they will rely on mainstream media as a fast food way of getting their knowledge. People can be misled easily this way. The left knows that and is ruthless with it.

It would be nice to have an unbiased media but the left and the right have different views on the world and it shows in their priorities. These priorities conflict and lead to confrontation and defensiveness. This leads to left wing media vs. right wing media. I don't see this changing at all. With jobs we can't always keep up to date so reporters end up with that task. It's up to us to weigh both sides and then make a decision. By all means look at other points of view. I did. In fact it will help you make your decisions easier. Especially if you read classic books on economics, politics, history, and philosophy. If your education is better than media people you can see bias even easier and sometimes guess what people will say next.
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I just think Rush is an irritating blowhard, is all.

Obviously, you disagree.
Yes he's not subtle. He also makes fun of his enemies. There are more subtilties with National Review if that's what you're looking for.
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I find this a curious statement. Socialists are rather good on military. China invests heavily in their military, as did the USSR. North Korea invests in its military while its people starve.

True conservatives realise that an excessive big government milit-ind complex is yet another threat to freedom.

YouTube - Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.

Strongbow, a socialist contributor to FYM, is obsessed with having a huge military.
Most socialists today want to decrease spending on military and increase spending on domestic social policies. The area that makes them militaristic is that enemies look at them as weak and altercations start from that perceived weakness.

Usually leftists decry overspending more on military. They tend to be mum on other areas. Just look at Barack Obama, or even Bill Clinton.
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Even more curious is, again there comes this BS that left/liberal equals socialist.
They are socialists. Or more accurate. Fabian Socialists. They want to change society slowly. Make no mistake. The liberals in university do read Karl Marx and gloat over him. If you don't like Marx then you probably are more moderate and there are some liberals that don't agree on everything of the left. Nobody has made a party called the "Moderate party" yet.

What liberals do in university now is to try and change terms like "social justice" to "Civic virtue". They also adopted Clinton's idea of government expenditure as "investments". An investment is an investment and an expenditure is an expenditure. You can't fool this accountant.
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Make no mistake. The liberals in university do read Karl Marx and gloat over him. If you don't like Marx then you probably are more moderate and there are some liberals that don't agree on everything of the left. Nobody has made a party called the "Moderate party" yet.
No, Vincent is actually a committed socialist.

On account of him gloating over Marx at university, as all liberals are wont to do.

I happen to know that all the liberals on this forum gloat over Marx in a most despicable and un-American fashion.

Sorry, but I just can't take your posts seriously. You have a very simplistic take on things.
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They are socialists. Or more accurate. Fabian Socialists. They want to change society slowly. Make no mistake. The liberals in university do read Karl Marx and gloat over him. If you don't like Marx then you probably are more moderate and there are some liberals that don't agree on everything of the left.
If you're actually seriously making this argument then, like financeguy said, it's hard to take you seriously.
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Where has this "Purpleoscar" person been. I might not agree with everything he says but at least he seems passionate about it. Adds a little spice around here. Keep em' coming.
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Where has this "Purpleoscar" person been. I might not agree with everything he says but at least he seems passionate about it. Adds a little spice around here. Keep em' coming.
I totally agree with you. I disagree with a lot of what purpleoscar has said about OUR media, and I am glad to explain why. That's not the point.

Let's bring some fucking different views in around here.
That's the point.

NBCrusader was one who was ran off by the Christian haters around here, he was a GREAT conservative voice. Diamond, FG and Sting have the balls, give it up to them. 2861 and others are hanging in there as well. 85% for Obama in the recent FYM poll is just...pitiful. The choir preaching to the choir. C'mon, folks.

Speaking of, Mr. Harry Vest, since Hillary dropped out of the race, you have been among the most even minded posters I've seen on the whole of FYM. Astonishing.

Perhaps you should reevaluate your irrational, conspiratorial, distaste for her.

Especially considering the campaign we've seen from Obama since he got his nose bloodied. Thankfully, he's gotten tougher in recent weeks. She'd be cleaning McCain's clock right now with the advent of this economic disaster.
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I find this a curious statement. Socialists are rather good on military. China invests heavily in their military, as did the USSR. North Korea invests in its military while its people starve.

True conservatives realise that an excessive big government milit-ind complex is yet another threat to freedom.

YouTube - Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.

Strongbow, a socialist contributor to FYM, is obsessed with having a huge military.
The most important job the President has is protecting the country and its interest. Failure to do that makes any other national policy goals impossible. In order to protect the country, you don't necessarily need to have a large military, but you must have one that can meet the country's national security requirements.

The United States along with its NATO allies attempted to build an alliance that shared the burdens of defending Europe from a Soviet/Warsaw Pact invasion. The Soviets spent much of the Cold War attempting to have and offensive capability in which they could overrun Western Europe in a matter of weeks. Such an offensive capability requires many times the money and resources it would take to simply maintain a defensive capability and went well beyond the Soviet Unions basic requirements for its national security.


As for Ike, while he was a good General, as President he was rather poor when it came to the proper level of defense spending and overall Cold War strategy. He wrongly believed that the United States could exclusively depend on Nuclear Weapons for most of its national security needs and could reduce spending on the conventional military which took up the majority of the defense budget. The budget cuts were opposed by the military under Ike and hurt the country's conventional defense capability. Once Kennedy became President, he correctly took the country away from a reliance on nuclear weapons and massive nuclear retaliation to a policy of "flexible response", which meant the country would rely on all aspects of its military structure(conventional and nuclear) to deter war in Europe and elsewhere instead of simply the incredible and increasingly not credible threat of full scale nuclear retaliation for any type of conflict in Europe.

By the late 1960s, the Soviets had developed a survivable second strike capability making the first use of nuclear weapons by the United States in response to a conventional invasion of Europe essentially suicide. The only way to credibly deter a conventional invasion of Europe by the Soviet/Warsaw Pact forces was by maintaining a sufficient conventional military capability in Europe. Once the Soviets reached Nuclear Parity with the United States, Nuclear weapons really only become effective at detering the Soviets use of such weapons.

Ike failed to see the need to maintain a credible conventional defensive structure in Europe and mistakenly believed that NATO could continue to primarily rely on a nuclear weapons and would not need the more expensive conventional military force structure to deter an invasion. Kennedy, much to the relief of the US military and prior to the Soviets achieving Nuclear parity with the United States, started to correct this mistake.
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Rush Limbaugh + Fox news

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CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, PBS

It's good to get another point of view.



this is a totally false equivocation. totally false. these are not equivalents. you have to unabashedly biased outfits versus very mainstream news organizations. if we are to say that 1= very liberal and 10 = very conservative, it's not like you have a 9 vs a 2, it's that you have an 8 versus a 4, and the entire conversation is dragged to the right.

if anything, the MSM is thusly unduly influenced by the right and if it reflects any bias at all, it's a corporate bias.

except for PBS and NPR. because they are government funded, there's no one they have to please.
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Hardly anyone knows what the fuckin "Bush Doctrine" is - it's actually many things rolled into one. I would completely give up on that one. Nobody cares, specifically the average voter. Stick with the Katie interview - now THAT was something else!!!


i knew. so did all the GOP candidates when Charlie Gibson asked them about it in NH during one of the debates.

stick what what YOU know, Harry.
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If you are a fair minded and you understand politics you can't tell me what is happening to Palin is not over the top? ABC edited her transcripts to try to make her look bad, they allowed left-wing bloggers to question Palin's son's paternity. Isn't it obvious who's kid it was? MSNBC had to fire staff who were overly biased. The New York Times did so too. What about Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas? What about 90% of the artist community using their celebrity status on TV?

what is happening to Palin is to be expected when you pluck an unknown with a small but alarming track record and suddenly thrust her on the national stage and then NOT LET HER SPEAK TO THE PRESS and when she does it's in the most tightly scripted, controlled environment possible. that's positively Russian in it's lack off freedom. ABC edited. that's what happens. there's always editing in any sort of interview like that. i saw the transcripts. there was NOTHING that was edited that would have made her look any better. left wing bloggers are allowed to ask ANYTHING they want. you'll notice that the paternity of her son was never picked up by the MSM except for McCain surrogates who were crying sexism (when the truly sexist thing happening is that they don't trust her enough to answer questions and speak for herself). MSNBC didn't fire anybody, they shifted anchors. Olbermann and Matthews still have jobs. what are you talking about with the NYT? the last issue i can think of was Judy Miller who was shilling for the administration and being fed false stories by Scooter Libby and Ahmed Chalabi about the WMDs in Iraq that were never found revealing herself to be a total patsy for the Bush administration. what about Clarence Thomas? and aren't celebrities citizens? they have money and exposure, they can use it however they please.


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Rush Limbaugh is supplying a demand for news and opinions of a conservative nature. He's not trying to make an ABC. It's the "Rush Limbaugh show for Advanced Conservative studies." He's a pundit. If the major networks were so fair people would feel their opinions were given equal say and Rush would be out of a job. He's popular and wealthy because there is a HUGE demand for what he does. He's not indoctrinating conservatives. Conservatives are rising him up because they get what they need from him. Conservatives don't agree with him on everything, but they at least have a platform to respond to attacks in the other venues.

for a conservative, you don't know too much about marketing and branding.
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