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Old 09-25-2008, 06:14 PM   #481
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Wow that was amazing!
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:25 PM   #482
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So, what's happening with the debate? I read a statement from yesterday given by the Debate Commission that said it would go on. I read that Obama said he'll be there to debate McCain if he appears, and if he doesn't, he'll hold some sort of interview with Leher, a townhall meeting, or some combination of both. Then I read that McCain won't be there, then he might be. Has anyone else heard anything?

I also read that another reason for the suspension of the campaign, besides the ones discussed here, is that by pulling his ads, he saves money, which is in short supply, leaving more for advertising in late October.
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:31 PM   #483
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He said he is only suspending the campaign as there is no agreement on a final proposal for the plan, didn't he? Well, obviously everything has worked out just fine without him being actually present in the same room (yeah, getting educated and being involved and all that stuff), so there just be nothing that hinders him from going to the debate.
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Well his reasons for calling it off have pretty much been proven to be lies, his part in anything was completely miniscule and could have obviously been dealt with and still taken part in the debates...

I find it ironic that he wanted to call them off due to the economy but it would have cost folks several million dollars...
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Here's the commission announcement:

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Statement by Commission on Presidential Debates.




September 24, 2008

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Oxford, Miss., September 24, 2008 - “The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is moving forward with its plan for the first presidential debate at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, Miss. this Friday, September 26. The plans for this forum have been underway for more than a year and a half. The CPD’s mission is to provide a forum in which the American public has an opportunity to hear the leading candidates for the president of the United States debate the critical issues facing the nation. We believe the public will be well served by having all of the debates go forward as scheduled.”
COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES AND WEBMD TO PARTNER
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Two Congressional sources say that Sen. McCain and his staff have sounded out moderate Democrats and conservative Republicans to see whether they support the conservative Republican Study Committee's alternative bailout bill. And Sen. Chris Dodd said on CNN that McCain, in their meeting at the White House, brought up House GOP "Rescue" principles that Reps. Eric Cantor. Rep. Jeb Hensarling and Rep. Paul Ryan are circulating.

Dodd suggested that Democrats did not expect McCain to mention any new poposals.

The GOP Working group opposes a tax-payer bailout, preferring that it be privately funded. The GOP Working group would suspend the capital gains tax for two years to encourage business with mortgage-backed debt to sell their underperforming portfolios and provide tax incentives for companies to buy them. "We are not pushing any specific proposal," Jill Hazelbaker, McCain's chief spokesperson, said after the meeting. "We are dedicated to brokering a quality agreement on a bipartisan basis."

McCain told news anchors tonight that he believes that there's been progress made toward an agreement, but he did not specify who was agreeing with whom. After McCain and Obama left the White House, a White House spokesperson said in a statement that "members of the Administration and the Congressional leaders pledged to continue working together to finalize a bill that will address concerns and solve the problem as soon as possible."

House Republicans are likely to vote en masse against the Treasury bill as currently constituted.
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CNN Poll: It's the economy, more than ever
Posted: 07:29 PM ET

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A new poll shows the economy is No. 1.
(CNN) – In what could be a bad sign for John McCain, more voters than ever before this election cycle feel the economy is the most important issue to ther vote — a subject on which Barack Obama has consistently held an advantage.

According to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, nearly 6 in 10 registered voters now say the economy is more important than any other issue — a number that is almost a double digit jump from a similar poll taken in July. And it's nearly double the 35 percent of voters who thought the economy was the No. 1 issue in January.

Meanwhile, the issue John McCain is strongest on — Iraq — has steadily declined in importance among voters. In the latest poll only 10 percent of registered voters say it is most important, down from 25 percent who felt it was most important in July.

The poll was conducted September 19-21, entirely after the crisis on Wall Street unfolded. It surveyed 909 registered voters and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent.
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I keep saying she's stupid and she keeps proving me right.

I am wondering whether blatantly cancelling the VP debate, even with all the criticism that will come McCain's way because of it, might be better in the long run than letting her speak. This is so bad.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that she will "win" the debate with Joe Biden. Even though Biden knows every subject better than her, there is a possibility of him coming off as too intellectual...too snooty...too "elite". Mind you, if she continues being as bad as in that interview then all bets are off. However, if she comes off as she did in her RNC speech then look out.
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I think Joe Biden actually does a decent job of coming across as a common man kind of guy, someone who understands the problems of your average American. I don't think he's going to come across as elite. I think there's a possibility he may come across as too tough on Palin should he dare to point out when she's off the mark (which, judging from the interviews we've seen so far, should be often).
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However, if she comes off as she did in her RNC speech then look out.
I can say with almost 98% certainty, she will not be able to think on her feet. She will embarass the GOP.
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She couldn't think on her feet in a non-live interview with Katie Couric, of all people. How in the world will she able to do so in a live debate with a clearly better qualified and more knowledgeable opponent?
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Campbell Brown, prior to Bush's speech last night

Commentary: White House caught napping on financial crisis - CNN.com
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YouTube - O'Reilly Erupts at Right-Wing Radio Liars and Barney Frank!

Bill O'Reilly goes apeshit on talk radio, calling the hosts idiots, blasts right-wing "liars," and then unloads on Chris Dodd & Barney Frank.

He hurt Rush's feelings.
What a joke. Is Bill going to run as the centrist messiah in 2012???

What a crock.
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Campbell Brown, prior to Bush's speech last night

Commentary: White House caught napping on financial crisis - CNN.com
Wow! I guess all one needs to make it to high positions in government is to know how to bullshit when the time comes.
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I can say with almost 98% certainty, she will not be able to think on her feet. She will embarass the GOP.
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She couldn't think on her feet in a non-live interview with Katie Couric, of all people. How in the world will she able to do so in a live debate with a clearly better qualified and more knowledgeable opponent?
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Wow! I guess all one needs to make it to high positions in government is to know how to bullshit when the time comes.
yes. however, she hasn't mastered it, yet..
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