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Old 09-19-2008, 10:27 AM   #16
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(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama has widened his lead over Sen. John McCain, according to CNN's latest "poll of polls."

The senator from Illinois is ahead of McCain in national polls by 3 percentage points, 47 percent to 44 percent. Obama was up by 2 points in the poll of polls released earlier Thursday.

McCain led in national polls last week, but by the weekend, the candidates were tied. Obama recaptured the lead for the first time in 10 days Wednesday.

The latest poll of polls consists of four surveys: CBS/The New York Times (September 12-16), Gallup (September 15-17), Diageo/Hotline (September 14-16) and American Research Group (September 13-15). It does not have a sampling error.

The economic crisis has given Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, the opportunity to go on the offensive. Most Americans see Obama as more capable than McCain when it comes to the economy, polls indicate.
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Joe Biden loses Barack Obama the Catholic vote

More, as promised, on Senator Joe Biden (why should Sarah Palin get all the coverage?). Remember, you read it here first: on September 11 this blog reported a mounting backlash from Catholic bishops against Biden, Barack Obama's "Catholic" pro-abortion running mate. At that time I estimated eight bishops had come out to denounce Biden; the total is now 55. Beyond that, Biden is being trashed across every state of the Union by Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations, and blogs. It is a tsunami of rejection.



Joe Biden has really put his foot in it with the Catholics

The story has now hit the secular media. Last Saturday Time magazine asked: "Does Biden Have a Catholic Problem?" By Wednesday the issue had moved onto the front page of the New York Times. Joe the Jinx has blown it, big time. Biden has only himself to blame: he started this war, with his notoriously undisciplined mouth. He knew the dangers. Last August, Archbishop Raymond Burke, former Archbishop of St Louis and now Prefect of the Apostolic Segnatura in Rome, said communion should be denied to pro-abortion politicians "until they have reformed their lives".

Archbishop Chaput of Denver had already announced Biden should not receive communion because of his pro-abortion views. Defiantly, Biden took communion in his home parish in Delaware in late August. On September 2 the Bishop of Scranton, Pennsylvania (a crucial swing state) banned him from communion in his diocese. That is effective excommunication. Then came the crucial provocation. On NBC's Meet the Press programme on September 7 Biden grossly misrepresented the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion and audaciously cited St Thomas Aquinas in his own cause.

That did it. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had already done the same thing on the same programme, in her instance citing St Augustine. Even the torpid US bishops could not have false doctrine glibly broadcast by public figures, misleading their flock. So the counterattack described here last week began, culminating in a statement from the US Bishops' Conference. The bishops of Kansas City have also issued a pastoral letter on the subject. It is open season on Biden.

There are 47 million Catholic voters in the United States. One quarter of all registered voters are Catholics. At every presidential election in the past 30 years the Catholic vote has gone to the winning candidate, except for Al Gore in 2000. This year 41 per cent of Catholics are independents - up from 30 per cent in 2004. Psephologists claim practising Catholics were the decisive factor in the crucial swing states in 2004: in Ohio 65 per cent of Catholics voted for Bush, in Florida 66 per cent. They were drifting away in disillusionment from the Republicans and split 50-50, until Joe Biden worked his magic. This is electoral suicide by the Democrats.Full coverage of the US Election 2008
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How does this make any sense? How would it be any different for any other pro-choice Catholic?

Someone's reaching. Those that have decided to vote along Bishop lines have already decided so...
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Senator Biden was not barred from communion in Scranton, per the diocese.
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This is one of the main reasons I no longer go to mass on Sundays. I'm Catholic in name only because I cannot support those who insist on chastising others in their own denomination.

The last day I willingly went to mass they discussed abortion and Terri Schiavo's case and I thought that neither story was related to my personal relationship with God. If a priest wants to stand up there and preach his own beliefs instead of what's in the Bible and what Jesus preached, then he should form his own Ministry that discusses politics and do it there. I'm sure many people would be happy to attend. But to ostracize me because of my beliefs on issues that don't belong in a church??

I guess the separation between church and states is crossed on both sides.
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Wow, that's pretty damn sensationalist. Two or three bishops don't like Joe Biden because he's pro-choice? Gosh, they must not like any other pro-choice Catholic. And, golly--that must mean that Catholics have never, ever voted for a pro-choice politician---ever! Crikey, say it ain't so!

It ain't so.

The fact of the matter is this: the Catholics who are silly enough to vote according to what two bishops say probably aren't the ones who were in the Democratic camp from the start. Joe Biden doesn't make any difference.

The second fact of the matter is this: All these statistics about "Catholics have voted for every winning President," "State X has voted for every winning President," etc., are all garbage. You can look at statistics and come up with such a conclusion over and over again---but it doesn't mean anything. Years ago, it was noted that people who got pancreatic cancer drank a lot of coffee---so, it was assumed that coffee/caffeine caused pancreatic cancer. Someone a little smarter then pointed out that people who smoked also are more likely than non-smokers to drink a lot of coffee. Smoking is a known cause of pancreatic cancer. Coffee-drinking was just an association, but had nothing to do with the cause of cancer. Still, you can look at the numbers and conclude that drinking coffee increases your chance of pancreatic cancer.

It's the same way with elections. I read a week or two ago something like, "Fairfax County, VA has voted for the winning President in the last X number of elections." (Not sure if it was indeed Fairfax or another county). Does that mean that Obama or McCain will ONLY win nationally IF they win Fairfax County, Virginia? Well, maybe if VA turns out to be the only swing state. But really? Should they put ALL of their money and foot soldiers into Fairfax County, VA to ensure that they win? One county, in one state?

It ain't so.
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Oh PLEASE.

How many Catholics listen to the Bishops? I went to Catholic schools my whole life, all the parents put their girls on birth control, and so on. Give me a break!
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Gallup Daily: Obama Now Leads McCain by 5 Points
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^ National polls only matter when Obama is up, right?
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^ National polls only matter when Obama is up, right?


i report, you decide.

i could also flip it on it's head and note that the only polls you post are when McCain was enjoying his bounce.

national polls will matter more the closer we get to the election, though the battleground state polls matter more. as i've said repeatedly, the polls are good to understand a snapshot in time, and to map overall trends, but they are a poor thing to use to make a prediction.

it is what it is. and what all the polls are showing is a move towards Obama.

but, in my opinion, Obama is going to have to be at least 5 points ahead to compensate for racism.
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i report, you decide.

i could also flip it on it's head and note that the only polls you post are when McCain was enjoying his bounce.

national polls will matter more the closer we get to the election, though the battleground state polls matter more. as i've said repeatedly, the polls are good to understand a snapshot in time, and to map overall trends, but they are a poor thing to use to make a prediction.

it is what it is. and what all the polls are showing is a move towards Obama.

but, in my opinion, Obama is going to have to be at least 5 points ahead to compensate for racism.
I agree national polls aren't that important, at least for another month. The state polls are interesting, and some of the battleground states are very close, which is good news for McCain. He has a shot of picking up Michigan or Minnesota, among others. I don't see any way Obama picks up Florida or some other fairly red states. We'll see though. State polls lag behind national polls. The only reason I posted the RCP average with McCain ahead post-convention was because September 7 was the first time since I believe April 13 that he was ahead nationally. I knew it wouldn't last. I expect for the next few weeks the national polls to show anywhere from a tie to a 4 point Obama lead, though the debates coming up might change that.
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I agree national polls aren't that important, at least for another month. The state polls are interesting, and some of the battleground states are very close, which is good news for McCain. He has a shot of picking up Michigan or Minnesota, among others. I don't see any way Obama picks up Florida or some other fairly red states. We'll see though. State polls lag behind national polls. The only reason I posted the RCP average with McCain ahead post-convention was because September 7 was the first time since I believe April 13 that he was ahead nationally. I knew it wouldn't last. I expect for the next few weeks the national polls to show anywhere from a tie to a 4 point Obama lead, though the debates coming up might change that.

I've noticed that state polls are a little slower in picking up the latest political trends. McCain will probably drop in many of these states by next Friday(first debate) based on the national polls.
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YouTube - Barack Obama Fires Back Against McCain's 'Sad' Attacks

Keep it coming, Obama.

McCain on the economy = PHAIL.
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I agree national polls aren't that important, at least for another month. The state polls are interesting, and some of the battleground states are very close, which is good news for McCain. He has a shot of picking up Michigan or Minnesota, among others.
I will boldly predict that McCain isn't going to win either of these states.
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I will boldly predict that McCain isn't going to win either of these states.
Thats not a bold prediction since McCain is not supposed to win either of those states. If McCain were to just win one of them, McCain would have a comfortable victory in the electoral college. Obama cannot afford to lose ANY Blue states from 2004.
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