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Old 09-24-2008, 06:00 PM   #271
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Even that idiot Lou Dobbs is imploring that no Bill is passed on Monday since that would not provide sufficient time to get it right!

Meanwhile, the first poll is out after McCain's stunt - seems the public isn't buying it. Shocking.

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SurveyUSA. 9/24. Adults. MoE 3.2% (No trend lines)

The first debate between John McCain and Barack Obama is scheduled to take place in two days. Should the debate be held as scheduled? Should the debate be held, but the format changed to focus on the economy? Or, should the debate be postponed?

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Is the right response to the turmoil on Wall Street to suspend the campaigns for president? To continue the campaigns as though there is no crisis? Or, to re-focus the campaigns with a unique emphasis on the turmoil on Wall Street?

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Continue 31
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If Friday's presidential debate does not take place, would that be good for America? Bad for America? Or would it make no difference?

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Bad for America 46
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Old 09-24-2008, 06:24 PM   #272
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I can't understand why people are against suspending the debate and putting the campaigns on hold. Isn't action better than talk? Let Obama and McCain try to help the country instead of them just talking about doing that. Then again Obama never did anything meaningful in congress so it is of no surprise that he is against this.
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Old 09-24-2008, 06:26 PM   #273
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Somehow I imagine if it was Obama who had decided to suspend his campaign and go back to his real job in a time of economic crisis, people here would have praised the move and called Obama an American tapestry of hope and love or whatever.

Maybe I'm wrong though.
I think the key to this being wrong is that Obama wouldn't do something like that.
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Breaking news - McCain wants to postpone the VP debate (indefinitely at this point - no new date proposed) and hold the Presidential debate next Thursday in its place.



In other news, Palin is erecting a Berlin Wall around herself.
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Old 09-24-2008, 06:28 PM   #275
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If Obama had proposed this instead of McCain, he'd immediately have been pounded for being either A) a feeble, wussy yellowbelly trying to exploit the financial crisis to buy time for a floundering campaign, or B) an unbelievably arrogant fathead under the delusion that he and he alone can fix the crisis, or both.
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Postponing the debate is an idiotic idea. If there's ever a time where the American people need to hear what each of the candidates think and what their future plans are re: the economy, it's now.
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I can't understand why people are against suspending the debate and putting the campaigns on hold. Isn't action better than talk? Let Obama and McCain try to help the country instead of them just talking about doing that. Then again Obama never did anything meaningful in congress so it is of no surprise that he is against this.
No kidding. Why does this have everyone in a huff. It's one debate and it's not CANCELLED just DELAYED. Get over it people. Do you really think McCain was afraid to debate Obama on FOREIGN POLICY??? I think not. Sure, this is a political move, but if the Dems don't settle down on this one it will likely backfire and in a week from now McCain will look like the hero. Obama was obviously not as smart as I was hoping. He should of agreed to suspend his campaign as well and joined McCain in Washington. Something tells me that despite these polls McCain's going to come out of this looking like the better candidate. This election just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
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Breaking news - McCain wants to postpone the VP debate (indefinitely at this point - no new date proposed) and hold the Presidential debate next Thursday in its place.



In other news, Palin is erecting a Berlin Wall around herself.





























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I can't understand why people are against suspending the debate and putting the campaigns on hold. Isn't action better than talk? Let Obama and McCain try to help the country instead of them just talking about doing that. Then again Obama never did anything meaningful in congress so it is of no surprise that he is against this.
Oh come on.

Neither one of them would likely add anything to the debate. The entire rest of congress is there, the absence or presence of these two isn't going to make that much of a difference.

And McCain isn't doing this because he thinks it's the right thing to do. He's doing this so that when Obama says no he can run ad saying 'oooh loook, John McCain wanted to help fix the financial crisis(that his beloved deregulation philosophy played a big part in) and Obama said no, who do YOU trust' etc etc. Period. Obama should stick to his guns and trust that there aren't enough people dumb enough to fall for an ad like that to make any kind of difference in numbers.
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Sarah Palin can debate on November 5th.



Obama should call their bluff and volunteer to switch the debates. Palin and her vast experience can debate Biden on Friday.
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No kidding. Why does this have everyone in a huff. It's one debate and it's not CANCELLED just DELAYED. Get over it people. Do you really think McCain was afraid to debate Obama on FOREIGN POLICY??? I think not. Sure, this is a political move, but if the Dems don't settle down on this one it will likely backfire and in a week from now McCain will look like the hero. Obama was obviously not as smart as I was hoping. He should of agreed to suspend his campaign as well and joined McCain in Washington. Something tells me that despite these polls McCain's going to come out of this looking like the better candidate. This election just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
You know what? You'd be a good political operative. You know why? Because you have consistently opined on what Obama should do and what McCain should do in the context of the paradigm of what will win and what will lose, rather than what is right and what is wrong. You are suggesting that Obama cave into this stupid ploy of McCain's just to keep a few political points. He's in a no-win situation anyway. If he goes to Washington, he's going because his hand was half-forced, and if he doesn't, McCain gets to run his idiotic ads.
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No kidding. Why does this have everyone in a huff. It's one debate and it's not CANCELLED just DELAYED. Get over it people. Do you really think McCain was afraid to debate Obama on FOREIGN POLICY??? I think not. Sure, this is a political move, but if the Dems don't settle down on this one it will likely backfire and in a week from now McCain will look like the hero. Obama was obviously not as smart as I was hoping. He should of agreed to suspend his campaign as well and joined McCain in Washington. Something tells me that despite these polls McCain's going to come out of this looking like the better candidate. This election just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
Every time something happens in this campaign, you claim that "McCain will come out looking better." In your theories, Obama's only chance is if nothing happens at all.

I absolutely think McCain is afraid to debate Obama. One is an orator, one is not. One has a plan, one does not. One was made to look like a fool by the women of The View, one was not. Etc.

The most important trend of this campaign is that McCain's numbers only increase when a distraction from the issues arises. Obama's numbers rise in all other cases.
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Oh come on.

Neither one of them would likely add anything to the debate. The entire rest of congress is there, the absence or presence of these two isn't going to make that much of a difference.

And McCain isn't doing this because he thinks it's the right thing to do. He's doing this so that when Obama says no he can run ad saying 'oooh loook, John McCain wanted to help fix the financial crisis(that his beloved deregulation philosophy played a big part in) and Obama said no, who do YOU trust' etc etc. Period. Obama should stick to his guns and trust that there aren't enough people dumb enough to fall for an ad like that to make any kind of difference in numbers.
Intention of both men aside, when preparing for a profession of any kind who in their right mind wouldn't try to get experience when things get tough. Seeing how the two parties reach a compromise would be very beneficial for the next president. Someone running for that position should listen to everything and get educated because the economy will be one of the biggest issues for a very long time. McCain wants to help take action. Again, why just talk when you can educate yourself and be part of the action?
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McCain does not want to take action. He wants to distract you from the issues.
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Obama should call their bluff and volunteer to switch the debates. Palin and her vast experience can debate Biden on Friday.
That is brilliant, actually. "Yes, I will gladly postpone the presidential debate and join you in Washington to tackle this problem. However, as both of our VP candidates are clearly able and ready, I propose that the vice presidential debate be held in its place."

Would put the ball back in McCain's court quite nicely.
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