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Old 09-24-2008, 01:28 PM   #226
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They had this tool on their show last night? Wow, I used to think Hannity was a little brighter than the others just uninformed, but the more I find out the more I realize he's not...
I know Hannity has a thing for the Ayers and Obama association.

And many if not most people would consider Ayers a terrorist, at least at one time in his life.


I think having this father and son on FOX will do more to undermined their behavior than support it.


As for the free speech concept that some of you have mentioned, that is just crap.

There are all kinds of rights in the constitution that are stopped or restricted at the school yard fence.

And as for the shirt being patriotic, that is just stupid.

A shirt that read "McCain supports burning babies in Baghdad"

should not be allowed either.
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:41 PM   #227
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Sorry to burst your bubble:

Are you sure

that image is a more true representation of Sarah Palin than much of the things I have seen printed in here
that many seem to believe are the "gospel truth".


and for that matter much of the stuff I or any of us believe that is "truth"
(much of it printed on candidates official websites) as their "stances and beliefs" may be less authentic than that image
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Some good news for John McCain in New Hampshire.

In the latest Rasmussen poll there John McCain leads Barack Obama 49% to 47%.

John McCain is also doing very well in the favorability ratings in New Hampshire:

Very Favorable McCain 39% Obama 33%
Somewhat Favorable McCain 21% Obama 21%
Somewhat Unfavorable McCain 18% Obama 13%
Very Unfavorable McCain 21% Obama 30%

Rasmussen Reports: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.
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September 22, 2008 2:02 PM

BY MARC COOPER

I was around a lot of gloomy Democrats today who are more or less convinced that McCain's got this thing in the bag.

They came to me looking to get cheered up because I've been writing columns to the contrary. In the end, of course, I don't know. I can only guess.

But one of my arguments or, better said, talking points is this: Yes, you can say that something is awry because Obama ought to be up 20 points in the polls. Or you can take the opposite tack, one I've been pointing out, and say: "Here we have John McCain. A long-time senator. A bona fide war hero in a time of war. Someone who has indeed showed moments of great independence from his party. And yet, he's running a couple of points behind a 47-year-old, black freshman senator whose middle name is Hussein. So, exactly who is in trouble here?"
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John McCain suspends campaigning to work on economy, requests postponing Friday debate; asks Obama do the same.

And Bush will be making a speech about the economy tonight at 6:00pm
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John McCain suspends campaigning to work on economy, requests postponing Friday debate; asks Obama do the same.

And Bush will be making a speech about the economy tonight at 6:00pm
What crap...McCain is setting up so that when Obama says no to postponing the debate, McCain can tell everyone, 'I suspended my campaign to work on the economy, Obama didn't, who do you trust?'

This isn't the first time he's tried to pull shit like this. It's no different than the 'If Obama would've agreed to town hall meetings the tone of the campaign would be different' thing.
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I know Hannity has a thing for the Ayers and Obama association.

And many if not most people would consider Ayers a terrorist, at least at one time in his life.


I think having this father and son on FOX will do more to undermined their behavior than support it.


As for the free speech concept that some of you have mentioned, that is just crap.

There are all kinds of rights in the constitution that are stopped or restricted at the school yard fence.

And as for the shirt being patriotic, that is just stupid.

A shirt that read "McCain supports burning babies in Baghdad"

should not be allowed either.
For once I agree with deep.

That shirt was idiotic. Allowing the kid to wear it would be to encourage the idiocy and possibly allow it to spread. That's how the politics of shallowness and deceit win. It doesn't speak well for the father either that he's encouraging his kid to wear a ridiculous shirt like that.
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Even George Will - one of the more intelligent conservatives in the media - has had it with McCain:

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Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.

Channeling his inner Queen of Hearts, John McCain furiously, and apparently without even looking around at facts, said Chris Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be decapitated. This childish reflex provoked the Wall Street Journal to editorialize that "McCain untethered" -- disconnected from knowledge and principle -- had made a "false and deeply unfair" attack on Cox that was "unpresidential" and demonstrated that McCain "doesn't understand what's happening on Wall Street any better than Barack Obama does."

To read the Journal's details about the depths of McCain's shallowness on the subject of Cox's chairmanship, see "McCain's Scapegoat" (Sept. 19). Then consider McCain's characteristic accusation that Cox "has betrayed the public's trust."

Perhaps an old antagonism is involved in McCain's fact-free slander. His most conspicuous economic adviser is Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who previously headed the Congressional Budget Office. There he was an impediment to conservatives, including then-Rep. Cox, who, as chairman of the Republican Policy Committee, persistently tried and generally failed to enlist CBO support for "dynamic scoring" that would estimate the economic growth effects of proposed tax cuts.

In any case, McCain's smear -- that Cox "betrayed the public's trust" -- is a harbinger of a McCain presidency. For McCain, politics is always operatic, pitting people who agree with him against those who are "corrupt" or "betray the public's trust," two categories that seem to be exhaustive -- there are no other people. McCain's Manichaean worldview drove him to his signature legislative achievement, the McCain-Feingold law's restrictions on campaigning. Today, his campaign is creatively finding interstices in laws intended to restrict campaign giving and spending. (For details, see The Post of Sept. 17; and the New York Times of Sept. 19.)

By a Gresham's Law of political discourse, McCain's Queen of Hearts intervention in the opaque financial crisis overshadowed a solid conservative complaint from the Republican Study Committee, chaired by Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas. In a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the RSC decried the improvised torrent of bailouts as a "dangerous and unmistakable precedent for the federal government both to be looked to and indeed relied upon to save private sector companies from the consequences of their poor economic decisions." This letter, listing just $650 billion of the perhaps more than $1 trillion in new federal exposures to risk, was sent while McCain's campaign, characteristically substituting vehemence for coherence, was airing an ad warning that Obama favors "massive government, billions in spending increases."

The political left always aims to expand the permeation of economic life by politics. Today, the efficient means to that end is government control of capital. So, is not McCain's party now conducting the most leftist administration in American history? The New Deal never acted so precipitously on such a scale. Treasury Secretary Paulson, asked about conservative complaints that his rescue program amounts to socialism, said, essentially: This is not socialism, this is necessary. That non sequitur might be politically necessary, but remember that government control of capital is government control of capitalism. Does McCain have qualms about this, or only quarrels?

On "60 Minutes" Sunday evening, McCain, saying "this may sound a little unusual," said that he would like to replace Cox with Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic attorney general of New York who is the son of former governor Mario Cuomo. McCain explained that Cuomo has "respect" and "prestige" and could "lend some bipartisanship." Conservatives have been warned.

Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?
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John McCain suspends campaigning to work on economy, requests postponing Friday debate; asks Obama do the same.

And Bush will be making a speech about the economy tonight at 6:00pm
They just interrupted a discussion on NPR with this breaking news, interestingly enough it was a discussion about presidential debates.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, I'm sure McCain will try and twist this but I can't see it playing in his favor...

It makes him look desperate, really desperate.
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Because a President can't multitask?

This is a really lame move. What you need is a good economic plan implemented by economists who know what they are doing and then a debate in Congress. Neither of these things are hinging on the presence of John McCain (or Obama) in Washington.

I actually initially thought this might look proactive but I see he's getting slammed by commentators for it thus far.
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I'll be pissed off if the Friday debate is canceled. We were planning on getting a big group together for a drinking game.

Take a shot of vodka if...

McCain gives an insincere smirk or laugh
McCain says "my friend" or "my friends"
McCain says the economy is sound
McCain moves like a robot
Obama writes something down
Obama says the word "change"
The candidates look at eachother
Either of the candidates begin a response by saying "First of all..."
Either of the candidates tell an outright lie
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As Ben Smith said - nothing has changed in the last 48 hours except the polling.

Remember when Bob Dole resigned from the Senate in 96? Yeah.
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John McCain suspends campaigning to work on economy, requests postponing Friday debate; asks Obama do the same.

And Bush will be making a speech about the economy tonight at 6:00pm


Good lord, what theatrics!
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McCain is gonna do what in Washington, exactly?

Nobody has missed more votes in the Senate than him.

And now he wants to spend all of his time working on the legislation? And being the legal scholar that he is, he's going to be personally penning it? LOL. Give me a break.
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why can't he multitask like the rest of us!

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I'll be pissed off if the Friday debate is canceled. We were planning on getting a big group together for a drinking game.

Take a shot of vodka if...

McCain gives an insincere smirk or laugh
McCain says "my friend" or "my friends"
McCain says the economy is sound
McCain moves like a robot
Obama writes something down
Obama says the word "change"
The candidates look at eachother
Either of the candidates begin a response by saying "First of all..."
Either of the candidates tell an outright lie


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McCain is gonna do what in Washington, exactly?

Nobody has missed more votes in the Senate than him.

And now he wants to spend all of his time working on the legislation? And being the legal scholar that he is, he's going to be personally penning it? LOL. Give me a break.
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