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Old 09-22-2008, 07:08 PM   #136
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While I believe in the electoral college, I think this scenario would be quite troublesome this time around.

Peace

I thought I did too,
until I really analyzed it in 2000 and looked at the history and ramifications.

I found all my arguments in favor of it collapsed.
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Old 09-22-2008, 07:27 PM   #137
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I watched Recount. If that is not enough, I don't know what is.
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Bill Clinton is on David Letterman tonight.
John McCain will appear on Wednesday.
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Guess who's going to see Matt Lauer and Al Roker do the Today Show in Williamsburg tomorrow


Hooray for swing state status!
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Another Biden gaffe! And it's a two-fer!

Ben Smith's Blog: Biden garbles Depression history - Politico.com

Biden garbles Depression history

Joe Biden's denunciation of his own campaign's ad to Katie Couric got so much attention last night that another odd note in the interview slipped by.

He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed," Biden told Couric. "He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

As Reason's Jesse Walker footnotes it: "And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, 'Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?'"
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At least he talks to the media and takes something other than fluffball questions
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Another Biden gaffe! And it's a two-fer!
Golly! That's HUUUUUUGE!!!! God forbid something bad happens in the world and Joe Biden accidentally says "tv" instead of "radio!"

Man, at least John McCain only messes up with things that don't matter!



Let's create a list! I'll start!

“Somalia” for “Sudan”: As recounted in a reporter’s pool report from McCain’s Straight Talk Express bus on June 30, the senator said while discussing Darfur, a region of Sudan: "How can we bring pressure on the government of Somalia?"

Senior adviser Mark Salter corrected him: “Sudan.”

“Germany” for “Russia”: A YouTube clip from last year memorializes McCain referring to Vladimir Putin of Russia — following a trip to Germany — as “President Putin of Germany.”

• This spring, McCain said troops in Iraq were “down to pre-surge levels” when in fact there were 20,000 more troops than when the surge policy began.

• Also this spring, McCain twice appeared to mistake Sunnis and Shiites, two branches of Islam that split violently.

• In Phoenix earlier this summer, McCain referred to Czechoslovakia, which has been divided since Jan. 1, 1993, into the Czech Republic and Slovakia. He also referred to Czechoslovakia during a debate in November and a radio show in April.

• Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said “Iraq” on Monday (late July) when he apparently meant “Afghanistan”, adding to a string of mixed-up word choices that is giving ammunition to the opposition.


Gosh, those are just from one site! (McCain gaffes pile up; critics pile on - Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei - Politico.com)

If only we could find more! How about here: Master List of McCain Flip-Flops and Gaffes


• "Sen. John McCain said that if he were president, he would fire SEC Chairman Chris Cox for his “betrayal of trust” leading up to this week’s financial market crisis."

Problem is, the Securities and Exchange Commission, which regulates the trading of stocks & bonds, is an independent agency outside the jurisdiction of the White House. While the President "nominates", and the Senate approves, the SEC chairman, the President does not have the power to fire him/her.

• During his interview on ABC's "This Week", McCain referred to the "Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General David Petraeus":
"I believe that, when he [Obama] said that we had to leave Iraq, and we had to be out by last March, and we had to have a date certain, that was in contravention to — and still is — the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General David Petraeus."


During the Republican Primary Debate hosted by Fox News on October 21, 2007, Senator McCain took a not-so-subtle swipe at the experience of two of his chief opponents: Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney:
"I have had a strong and a long relationship on national security, I've been involved in every national crisis that this nation has faced since Beirut, I understand the issues, I understand and appreciate the enormity of the challenge we face from radical Islamic extremism.

I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training.

I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time.
For 20-some years, including leading the largest squadron in the United States Navy, I led. I didn't manage for profit, I led for patriotism."

So if Senator McCain is to be taken at his word, being "a mayor or governor for a short period of time" is inadequate training to be President of the United States. Enter Sarah Palin.

• Following Iran’s missile tests, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) slammed Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) position on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, declaring, “This is the same organization that I voted to condemn as a terrorist organization when an amendment was on the floor of the United States Senate. Senator Obama refused to vote.” CNN’s Political Ticker notes a flaw with McCain’s attack:
The problem with the critique? McCain also missed that vote on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment on September 26, 2007. Records show that Obama was in New Hampshire and McCain was in New York instead of being in the Senate chamber for the vote in question.

Indeed, McCain — the most absent Senator — has missed more than 60 percent of the votes in the 110th Congress.


•[B]Just for fun:[/B]"Knowingly" or "unknowingly", no one can say for sure, but during a campaign appearance in Sturgis, S.D., Senator McCain proffered his wife as a potential contestant in their "Miss Buffalo Chip" beauty contest, in which many contestants... at their own discretion... often choose to compete in "topless", and in some cases, even "bottomless".




I'm sure we can find a ton from all candidates.

But seriously, let's refrain from jumping at useless gaffes and instead focus on the ones that actually mean something.
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btw, Master List of McCain Flip-Flops and Gaffes is quite the interesting site
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But seriously, let's refrain from jumping at useless gaffes and instead focus on the ones that actually mean something.


but if we do that, a black man may win.

please, think of the children. the non-gay ones.
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Guess who's going to see Matt Lauer and Al Roker do the Today Show in Williamsburg tomorrow


Hooray for swing state status!
Very cool!
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But seriously, let's refrain from jumping at useless gaffes and instead focus on the ones that actually mean something.

Naturally, liberals think the only gaffes that mean something are the ones their opponents make.
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Naturally, liberals think the only gaffes that mean something are the ones their opponents make.
Exactly.

Utoo, are you saying that if Sarah Palin or John McCain had said "In 1929, FDR went on the tv" that you and others in here wouldn't be all over it?
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conservative George Will has a moment of honesty:

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McCain Loses His Head

By George F. Will
Tuesday, September 23, 2008; A21

"The queen had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. 'Off with his head!' she said without even looking around."

-- "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"

Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.

Channeling his inner Queen of Hearts, John McCain furiously, and apparently without even looking around at facts, said Chris Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be decapitated. This childish reflex provoked the Wall Street Journal to editorialize that "McCain untethered" -- disconnected from knowledge and principle -- had made a "false and deeply unfair" attack on Cox that was "unpresidential" and demonstrated that McCain "doesn't understand what's happening on Wall Street any better than Barack Obama does."

To read the Journal's details about the depths of McCain's shallowness on the subject of Cox's chairmanship, see "McCain's Scapegoat" (Sept. 19). Then consider McCain's characteristic accusation that Cox "has betrayed the public's trust."

Perhaps an old antagonism is involved in McCain's fact-free slander. His most conspicuous economic adviser is Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who previously headed the Congressional Budget Office. There he was an impediment to conservatives, including then-Rep. Cox, who, as chairman of the Republican Policy Committee, persistently tried and generally failed to enlist CBO support for "dynamic scoring" that would estimate the economic growth effects of proposed tax cuts.

In any case, McCain's smear -- that Cox "betrayed the public's trust" -- is a harbinger of a McCain presidency. For McCain, politics is always operatic, pitting people who agree with him against those who are "corrupt" or "betray the public's trust," two categories that seem to be exhaustive -- there are no other people. McCain's Manichaean worldview drove him to his signature legislative achievement, the McCain-Feingold law's restrictions on campaigning. Today, his campaign is creatively finding interstices in laws intended to restrict campaign giving and spending. (For details, see The Post of Sept. 17; and the New York Times of Sept. 19.)

By a Gresham's Law of political discourse, McCain's Queen of Hearts intervention in the opaque financial crisis overshadowed a solid conservative complaint from the Republican Study Committee, chaired by Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas. In a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the RSC decried the improvised torrent of bailouts as a "dangerous and unmistakable precedent for the federal government both to be looked to and indeed relied upon to save private sector companies from the consequences of their poor economic decisions." This letter, listing just $650 billion of the perhaps more than $1 trillion in new federal exposures to risk, was sent while McCain's campaign, characteristically substituting vehemence for coherence, was airing an ad warning that Obama favors "massive government, billions in spending increases."

The political left always aims to expand the permeation of economic life by politics. Today, the efficient means to that end is government control of capital. So, is not McCain's party now conducting the most leftist administration in American history? The New Deal never acted so precipitously on such a scale. Treasury Secretary Paulson, asked about conservative complaints that his rescue program amounts to socialism, said, essentially: This is not socialism, this is necessary. That non sequitur might be politically necessary, but remember that government control of capital is government control of capitalism. Does McCain have qualms about this, or only quarrels?

On "60 Minutes" Sunday evening, McCain, saying "this may sound a little unusual," said that he would like to replace Cox with Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic attorney general of New York who is the son of former governor Mario Cuomo. McCain explained that Cuomo has "respect" and "prestige" and could "lend some bipartisanship." Conservatives have been warned.

Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?
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