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Old 04-09-2008, 06:16 PM   #421
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at one point, Dukakis was up by 20 points.

we will have to wait and see.
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Yep. I guarantee that will be the argument if he loses- "I guess America isn't ready for a black president."

But a couple months ago, your argument was he'd only win because he's black.
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I'm sure they do. But I wouldn't have expected it from the Obamas. Apparently I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that Obama is supposed to be such a unifier of diversity and skin color should be totally irrelevant.

GET ME MORE TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE!
Color should be irrelevant but we don't live in an ideal world, and politicians definately don't live in an ideal world...

How would Obama be a unifier of diversity if all he had was black people in the first row? Someone would come on here and yell about how "he's only catering to his own race I thought he was suppose to be a unifier".
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How would Obama be a unifier of diversity if all he had was black people in the first row? Someone would come on here and yell about how "he's only catering to his own race I thought he was suppose to be a unifier".


i know, right?

you just can't win with white people.
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For the third time in two weeks, Chelsea Clinton has been asked about Monica Lewinsky while campaigning for her mother. The question seems to be gaining popularity among college kids who either want to get a rise out of Clinton or are looking for the same kind of attention lavished on Evan Strange, the Butler University student, who first brought up the sore subject.
Read about what happened on Monday:

Many in the crowd at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Ind., booed Monday when a question about the impeachment proceedings against President Clinton came up. Chelsea Clinton quickly summed up her position: "If that's what you want to vote on, that's what you should vote on. But I think there are other people (who are) going to vote on things like health care and economics," she said.

Amanda Morris, president of Purdue's Students for Hillary chapter, said Tuesday that she approved of the audience reaction and how Clinton is responding. She also expects the question might keep coming up.
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Poll suggests McCain-Rice ticket could win big

(CNN) – Condoleezza Rice has said she has no desire to be John McCain's running mate, but a new poll out Wednesday suggests that duo could beat the Democratic ticket in the bluest of states.

In a new poll conducted by Marist College and WNBC, a McCain-Rice ticket would beat a ticket that includes both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in New York — a state that reliably votes for the Democratic candidate. (In 2004, John Kerry beat President Bush there by nearly 20 points. In 2000, the margin between Al Gore and Bush was an even higher 25 points.)

But should McCain and Rice team up, the poll suggests the two Republicans would carry New York, defeating a Clinton-Obama ticket by 3 points (49-46 percent) and an Obama-Clinton ticket by 5 points (49-44 percent.)

The poll comes days after a leading Republican strategist suggested Rice, contrary to her own public statements, is engaging in a behind-the-scenes campaign to land a spot on McCain's ticket. Former Bush administration official Dan Senor made the suggestion on ABC Sunday, noting Rice's recent appearance at the weekly meeting of Americans for Tax Reform — a leading organization of Republican insiders — as evidence she is attempting to cozy up to the conservative elite.

That suggestion immediately had Beltway insiders speculating on the potential advantages Rice would deliver, especially in light of the fact the Democratic presidential ticket will either feature a woman or an African-American for the first time in American history.

Rice herself attempted to put the speculation to rest Tuesday, saying, "I very much look forward to watching this campaign and voting as a voter — I have a lot of work to do and then I'll happily go back to Stanford."

But with polls like this, it's likely some Republicans hope she reconsiders.
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Obama: Repeal of 'don't ask' possible

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 26 minutes ago

Barack Obama says if elected president he will not require that his Joint Chiefs of Staff be opposed to the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prevents gays from serving openly in the military.

The Democratic presidential front-runner favors repealing the policy, which was instituted during the Clinton administration. He said his priority for the Joint Chiefs will be that they make decisions to strengthen the military and keep the country safe, not their position on the policy.

"I would never make this a litmus test for the Joint Chiefs of Staff," Obama said in an interview with The Advocate, a gay newsmagazine.

"But I think there's increasing recognition within the Armed Forces that this is a counterproductive strategy," he said. "We're spending large sums of money to kick highly qualified gays or lesbians out of our military, some of whom possess specialties like Arab-language capabilities that we desperately need. That doesn't make us more safe."

The Advocate provided The Associated Press with excerpts of the interview, to be posted on its Web site Friday.

The interview comes after Obama was criticized by gay advocates for not speaking to the gay media. The Philadelphia Gay News last week ran a large blank space on its front page next to an interview with Hillary Rodham Clinton to highlight that he did not talk to the publication.

"The gay press may feel like I'm not giving them enough love, but basically all press feels that way at all times," Obama told The Advocate. He said he's frequently spoken out against homophobia and in support of gay rights.

Asked what he could reasonably accomplish for the gay community as president, Obama said he can "reasonably see" repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy as well as signing legislation to ban workplace discrimination against gays. He said he'd like transgendered people to be covered by the law, but thinks it would be tough to get such legislation through Congress.

Obama also said he's interested in ensuring that same-sex couples in civil unions get federal benefits.
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(Reuters) McCain doesn't rule out preemptive war

Wed Apr 9

Republican U.S. presidential candidate John McCain said on Wednesday he would not rule out launching preemptive wars against future enemies.

President George W. Bush, in launching his 2003 invasion of Iraq, said it was necessary to forestall possible future attacks from a country that was developing weapons of mass destruction.

None of the weapons he alleged were in Iraq were subsequently found.

McCain, who has wrapped up his party's nomination to run for the White House in the November election, has maintained support for Iraq war and has said frequently that he would rather lose an election than a war.

When asked at a town hall meeting about the Bush policy on preemption, McCain said: "I don't think you can make a blanket statement about preemptive war because obviously it depends on the threat that the United States of America faces."

After the September 11 attacks Bush approved a new national security strategy in 2002 that allowed the United States to strike first against U.S. enemies believed to be about to use weapons of mass destruction against America.

The doctrine triggered a wide debate and criticism from the administration's critics at the time.

In an October 2002 speech, Bush made the case for invading Iraq, saying: "Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

McCain said the U.S. president should consult more closely with members of Congress so that the branches of government could act together if a threat were imminent.

"In normal times as you see a looming threat ... I think you need to consult more closely and more carefully not with every member of Congress but certainly the leaders of Congress."
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NEW YORK — Experience is central to Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential bid, and Wednesday night she tapped one of pop music's most venerable rockers to help fill her campaign coffers with $2.5 million. Elton John, who has sold records and filled arenas for four decades, played a benefit concert for Clinton at Radio City Music Hall.

"I've always been a Hillary supporter," John, 61, said before launching into his 1970 breakthrough hits, "Your Song" and "Border Song." "There is no one more qualified to lead America."

The English singer, composer and pianist added: "I'm amazed by the misogynistic attitudes of some of the people in this country. And I say to hell with them .... I love you Hillary, I'll be there for you."
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I agree with Karl Rove! About her campaign being astonishingly bad. Agreeing with diamond recently in FYM was bad enough. Wow. I'm off to check into a rehab or something...


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April 9

Karl Rove is a whipping boy for the Left and former New York Times editor Howell Raines has recently become a whipping boy for the Right.

So when the two of them go head to head, you can expect some fireworks.

Such was the case Tuesday night at a panel discussion sponsored by The Week magazine.

"The Clinton campaign has run a very negative campaign," said Raines. "They have constantly -- but in a very subtle way -- had people remind the public that [Sen. Barack Obama] is black." Howell later said that the "best thing [Sen. Hillary Clinton] has going for her" is the fact that Obama is consistently stigmatized by the fact that "if you're a black candidate, you have to apologize for every stupid thing ever said by any black person."

No small accusation by Raines, and even Rove had to agree that Sen. Clinton has run a poor campaign.

"She has run a horrific campaign," said Rove. "It has been astonishingly bad. ... [Obama] has strategically always run a better campaign than she has tactically."

Well, at least they could agree on that. But the synergy ended there. Rove called Obama's recent Philadelphia speech on race "a very cynical maneuver" and accused Obama of "throwing [his grandmother] under the bus." (In that speech, Obama said his grandmother "confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.")

Rove said that Obama equivocated so much in that speech that he essentially declared each American "morally equivalent to a guy who says 'Goddamn America." (Rove was referring to Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the a former pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.) Still, Rove called the speech "brilliantly executed" and said "a lot of people slobbered all over it." In Rove's opinion, Obama should have come out and said that Rev. Wright "was close to me, he helped bring me closer to Christ but this was reprehensible."

Raines disagreed, obviously. "What you've just heard is the Republican campaign in the Nitroglycerin."

Raines' criticism wasn't limited to Rove or Hillary, however. Husband Bill Clinton came into play, too, and Raines called him -- and "Clinton fatigue" generally -- Hillary's "biggest liability."

"Her husband has cost her votes," said Raines.

Yeas & Nays later asked Rove: If you were a member of the Democratic Party, would you encourage Sen. Clinton to pull out of the race?

"Hey, it's a free country," Rove told us. "Besides," he added, with a bit of enthusiasm, "I'm not a member of the Democratic Party."

When we asked Raines how he assessed his performance against Rove, he said: "He's a pro and I'm a bit rusty, but I think I did okay."
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Rove should know, she's using his playbook, but it's obviously not working like it did 4, 8 years ago.
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Rove or no

bad campaign or not


Hillary still is the Dems best chance to win the Whitehouse

but, as I have been saying for at least a couple of weeks now

Obama most likeley will be the nom

and most likely lose

and I expect McCain to win around 300 electoral votes

Obama will lose by more than Gore, Kerry and perhaps even more than Bush 1 lost to Clinton in 92

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An AP-Ipsos poll taken in late February had Obama leading McCain 51-41 percent. The current survey, conducted April 7-9, had them at 45 percent each.

McCain leads Obama among men, whites, Southerners, married women
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independents.

Clinton led McCain, 48-43 percent,

in February. The latest survey showed the New York senator with 48 percent support to McCain's 45 percent.
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the second there's a democratic nominee,

there will be a big bounce in the polls, similar to one that comes after the convention

these polls don't mean much right now, except where the conversation currently is, and nothing else
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the second there's a democratic nominee,
there still is no GOP nominee

there are only presumptions


most people believe Obama will be the Dem nom
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Assuming Obama becomes the nominee, I'm interested in seeing how many of the 28% of Hillary supporters actually do switch to McCain.
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