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Old 03-15-2008, 01:48 PM   #136
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Everybody wants squeaky-clean presidential candidates. It's never gonna happen. You can't get to that level of politics in the US (or anywhere else) without some soul-selling, some unholy alliances, and some very questionable financing. It just isn't possible.
I just figure all politicians at a fairly high level (congressional positions, governorships, presidential, etc.) are crooked scum sucking creeps who don't give one single damn about me. My vote goes to the one who in trying to get what he/she wants, manages to inadvertently get me more of what I want than the other creeps.

Am I jaded? Duh. But I'm never disappointed, and very rarely surprised.
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I just figure all politicians at a fairly high level (congressional positions, governorships, presidential, etc.) are crooked scum sucking creeps who don't give one single damn about me. My vote goes to the one who in trying to get what he/she wants, manages to inadvertently get me more of what I want than the other creeps.

Am I jaded? Duh. But I'm never disappointed, and very rarely surprised.
most people vote

"their self interest"

If I did that
I would have voted
enthusiastically for W both times

I did not.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:08 PM   #138
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most people vote

"their self interest"

If I did that
I would have voted
enthusiastically for W both times

I did not.
Ok. You're a saint then.

I'm too broke to be a saint, but I'll bet what is in my self interest is better for more people than what is in your self interest, so me voting my self interest and you voting against your self interest achieves pretty much the same thing.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:13 PM   #139
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most people vote

"their self interest"

If I did that
I would have voted
enthusiastically for W both times

I did not.
If I voted in my own self interest, I would be voting for the Conservatives here, given my tax bracket.

But I would rather pay 46% tax than make 1/4 of my salary to escape it...
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I try and ask myself,
what is fair and reasonable?

While others,
make statements like "not paying or paying the least taxes possible is patriotic or the American way".

Cheney and Romney make statements like the above.

We have Romney making billions and taxed at only 15%.

Working stiffs are paying more than twice that amount.


Cheney supports Haliburton, and KBR moving their headquarters to offshore Hotel rooms to avoid U S taxes.
They pay no taxes on record breaking profits from the no bid contracts that are filled with over-billing.

You got to love how the GOP has managed to get the working (white) stiffs in the solid South
to keep sharpening the blade and baring their own throats.

All the time being happy,
that they are the ones that get to spin the sharpening stone.
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If I voted in my own self interest, I would be voting for the Conservatives here, given my tax bracket.

But I would rather pay 46% tax than make 1/4 of my salary to escape it...
100,000 income, taxes of 46 % = 54,000


1/4 of 100,000 = 25,000



it sounds like 54,000
is more in your self-interest

than 25,000
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Well, clearly.

But you constantly hear people in the highest bracket kvetching about their marginal tax rate and voting solely on promised reductions.
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This is the day

that the Democratic party

and in particular Obama and his people lost the November election.


they will let the Michigan voters be heard and counted

I guess the election will be close
and if they divide delegates on votes

it won't give the wrong candidate any help

but,

There will be no re-vote in Florida

no way to fix that

and we do not want to re-iterate that one candidate can not win the most important swing state.


So Florida is a "give me " for McCain
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This is unbelievable!!


Why would anyone want a coward for "Commander in Chief"?




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Plan for new Michigan Democratic primary falters

Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:02pm EDT

By Kevin Krolicki

DETROIT (Reuters) - Michigan Democratic Party leaders on Tuesday said a proposal to re-run the state's contested presidential primary in June, which could potentially benefit the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, was stalled and unlikely to be approved before a deadline this week.

Opposition from lawmakers backing Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's campaign seemed certain to scuttle any proposal to hold a June 3 "do-over" Democratic primary in the Midwestern state.


"There are definitely not enough votes now to support the proposal," said Callie Collins, a spokeswoman for state Sen. Tupac Hunter, co-chairman of Obama's campaign in Michigan.
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i see you've already decided the black kid in class is the troublemaker. no matter what he does, that's what he'll be.
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This is unbelievable!!


Why would anyone want a coward for "Commander in Chief"?

What an overreaction.
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why not hear from the democratic voters in Florida and Michigan?

especially now or in June

Obama will get many more votes than if the primaries were held at the time the party would have approved.

To get the nomination by not counting votes in Florida is very BUSHleauge.
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What were the numbers of how much a re-do would cost?
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PRINCETON, NJ -- John McCain's 67% favorable rating is the highest of any of the three major candidates running for president, and ties for his highest in Gallup polling history.

McCain's favorable rating matches the 67% he received in February 2000, when he was in the middle of his first run for president. But since that point, McCain's image in the eyes of Americans has undergone significant shifts. The Arizona senator had favorable ratings in the 57% range as he began his presidential campaign last winter, but as his campaign floundered this past summer, his favorable rating dropped as low as 41%. At that point, many observers had written off the former POW's campaign. But McCain came roaring back, winning the New Hampshire primary and then clinching the Republican nomination. His current favorable rating represents a gain of 26 points since last summer, including an 11-point increase since he won enough delegates to ensure his nomination on March 4.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105073/McCains-67-Favorable-Rating-Highest-Eight-Years.aspx?version=print

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Get ready for 4 more yearshttp://www.gallup.com/poll/105073/McCains-67-Favorable-Rating-Highest-Eight-Years.aspx?version=print

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Obama is also the only candidate who a majority of Americans -- roughly 60 percent -- say does not have the right experience to be president, the poll showed.

That number is significantly higher than the 38 percent who say Clinton isn't experienced enough and
the 31 percent who say the same for McCain.
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