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Old 01-30-2008, 12:04 AM   #961
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Hillary got more votes than McCain. in a contest that didn't matter.

very interesting.
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:08 AM   #962
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Obama got more votes than hillary in counting ballots cast purely in the last 30 days. Interesting swing there.
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:10 AM   #963
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Hillary got more votes than McCain. in a contest that didn't matter.

very interesting.
yes

but it was not in an important state

this state will not even matter in november
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:36 AM   #964
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yes

but it was not in an important state

this state will not even matter in november

i'm quite pleased that Mrs. Clinton won the Florida Democratic Beauty Contest. good for her.

we must remember, if there's anybody who can get the GOP band back together for one last show, it is HRC.

on the good side, if McCain is the GOP nominee, and he probably will be, aside from his promise of "more wars," we will at least get someone who will stand against waterboarding and torture.

which is more than i can say for *any* of his supporters in here.
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we must remember, if there's anybody who can get the GOP band back together for one last show, it is HRC.


there is a person that the right has been demonizing longer and perhaps even more viciously than Hillary

and he has been all over the news lately as Obama's patron saint

don't worry the right will line up against Obama (I was always against the war) / Kennedy / Oprah with a passion and fury like nothing you have ever seen.

Yes, Obama can go around gathering up delegates from the red states to help on his way to the nomination.

The question one should be considering is
who can win the one or two states that matter.
The battle ground states that will determine the election.
States like Florida, New Hampshire.
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:59 AM   #966
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Hillary got more votes than McCain. in a contest that didn't matter.

very interesting.
Well, if you do the math, you'll notice that in South Carolina the Republicans had their votes divided among 6 candidates and in Florida they had their votes divided among 5 candidates. Democrats the past two primaries have only had their votes divided among 3 people, so its absurd to be making any sort of claim about the number of candidates voting for one candidate in the Democratic primary comparered to a 6 or 5 person race for the Republicans.


But here are the latest polls for the national election that is supposed to be a cake walk for Democrats according to yourself:


National Election:

NBC/WSJ 01/20 - 01/22

McCain VS. Clinton

McCain 46%
Clinton 44%

NBC/WSJ 01/20 - 01/22

McCain VS. Obama

McCain 42%
Obama 42%


The Democrats clearly do not want to run against John McCain in the national election. Clinton will be unlikely to get many Republicans to vote for her, but John McCain will draw many Democrats. In any event, as the Republicans draw closer to picking a nominee, it will be funny to watch the rather childish debate with in the Democratic party between Hillary and Obama.
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NBC/WSJ 01/20 - 01/22

McCain VS. Clinton

McCain 46%
Clinton 44%

The Democrats clearly do not want to run against John McCain in the national election.
Clearly not.

A lead within the margin of error in a national poll when the winner is decided based on the electoral college is a sure sign of that.
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:02 AM   #968
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In any event, as the Republicans draw closer to picking a nominee, it will be funny to watch the rather childish debate with in the Democratic party between Hillary and Obama.
Yes.

I much prefer the highbrow debate between McCain (a liar) and Mitt (a flip flopper).
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Who won the primary?
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Well, if you do the math, you'll notice that in South Carolina the Republicans had their votes divided among 6 candidates and in Florida they had their votes divided among 5 candidates. Democrats the past two primaries have only had their votes divided among 3 people, so its absurd to be making any sort of claim about the number of candidates voting for one candidate in the Democratic primary comparered to a 6 or 5 person race for the Republicans.
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democrats have crushed republicans in overall turn out, even in South Carolina, as sure a Red State as any in the country. 534,747 came out for the Dems and only 444,183 came out for the Republicans. in South Carolina!

Florida wasn't a contested election for the Democrats, no one campaigned there (until Mrs. Clinton at the very end) and she still got nearly 200,000 more votes than McCain.

if the election in the fall is on national security, McCain -- who's pretty much become the John Kerry of the Republicans, they looked around and wondered who was the most electable, and they decided, wisely, on him -- will do well; if it is on the economy and the likely coming recession, he will not do so well.

but keep flashing your polls and reading more into them than is actually there and don't worry about context as it obviously makes you feel smart.

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It's being reported that Edwards is dropping out
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Shit. I was looking forward to voting for him next week. He's the only one I actually really like. The smartest of the bunch, imo.
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if the election in the fall is on national security, McCain -- who's pretty much become the John Kerry of the Republicans, they looked around and wondered who was the most electable, and they decided, wisely, on him -- will do well; if it is on the economy and the likely coming recession, he will not do so well.

I highly doubt that.

If John McCain gets nominated and the election is focused on national security, he will not do well, considering that most Americans are against the genocide in Iraq and John McCain is the most hawkish of candidates out there.

If it is on the economy it will be very close I think.
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My heart is broken.

My candidate is gone.

America deserves the politicians it gets. Don't expect government to help you, or make an even playing field in which all of us can have a shot at doing well. You're on your own, and if you make a mistake--i.e., credit card debt--you are screwed forever...
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Even though it's reported that he's not endorsing anyone right now, I still say he goes for VP with Obama.
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