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Old 01-23-2008, 11:02 AM   #826
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You better be voting in the Feb. 12 primary
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Old 01-23-2008, 11:03 AM   #827
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McCain has and will work with Democrats, and though i'll never forgive him for Iraq or for rimming the Bushies in 2004, i can see the other side working with him whereas i cannot see any Republican publicly working with HRC.

I think you're right but at the same time I really feel like McCain has managed to bamboozle otherwise thinking people into believing that he's really some kind of maverick. I think he's full of shit, to be honest and his record is sketchy when you look at it closely. But the media has fed us this line enough that people have started to believe it.
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Old 01-23-2008, 11:31 AM   #828
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McCain really did sell out in 2004. Instead of supporting his friend and colleague, he literally kissed up to the guy who ended his run in 2000 by playing the dirtiest of dirty politics. Since then it's been Bob Jones, Falwell, he abandoned his Episcopal church for the Baptist, etc. etc.
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Hillary always sort of irritated me. I was always behind Bill, no matter what, but lately he's lost me, too.

The past week or so has really made me wish the Clintons would just disappear.
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They've said on the news the past few days, "Democrats are just now realizing what an annoying liar Bill Clinton is, something the Republicans have known for years." So true, and so fun to watch everyone turn on him all of a sudden.
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They've said on the news the past few days, "Democrats are just now realizing what an annoying liar Bill Clinton is, something the Republicans have known for years." So true, and so fun to watch everyone turn on him all of a sudden.
Meh. I think most of the general public (those with brains, anyhow) knew he was a liar, but it was his charm that led to him getting away with it.

Suffice to say, charm has not been one of Slick Willie's strong points as of late.
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They've said on the news the past few days, "Democrats are just now realizing what an annoying liar Bill Clinton is, something the Republicans have known for years." So true, and so fun to watch everyone turn on him all of a sudden.
What news outlets are making this quote?
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Meh. I think most of the general public (those with brains, anyhow) knew he was a liar, but it was his charm that led to him getting away with it.


that, and his extraordinary political skills and the fact that he generally pushed good policies and had a successful presidency that involved peace and prosperity (relatively).
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What news outlets are making this quote?


there's a very interesting op-ed in the WSJ about this.

i actually thought it was pretty fair.
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there's a very interesting op-ed in the WSJ about this.

i actually thought it was pretty fair.
Calling him a liar?


I've been out of my normal environment for two weeks so I've had little access to the news. I think what LarryMullen's_POPAngel said was very true. We all knew Bill wasn't telling the whole truth, in fact we kind of accept that with politicians. Of course some lies are acceptable by politicians and some aren't. I mean the world knows Bush is a liar as well.

But what I have noticed is that Bill isn't as diplomatic as he used to be, remember last election when Bill would say, "am I the only one who really likes both these canidates?" That and his charm have been lost as of late, maybe too few naps.
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What news outlets are making this quote?

Well I mostly watch FNC, so I've heard a few analysts on there mention it. I think I heard someone say it on CNN, too.
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there's a very interesting op-ed in the WSJ about this.

i actually thought it was pretty fair.

WSJ ??

pretty fair ??


I think it is safe to include them with the


Fair and Balanced types.
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I've never been a big Bill Clinton fan at any point.

My first memory of anything political was his scandal (I was six or seven), so ... never liked him after that.
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WSJ ??

pretty fair ??


I think it is safe to include them with the


Fair and Balanced types.


check it out yourself: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1201...googlenews_wsj
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Obama will lose if he doesn't fight as dirty as the Clintons.

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