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Old 01-22-2008, 04:50 PM   #796
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I was hoping/expecting he'd endorse McCain. Maybe in the next few days.
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:38 PM   #799
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I've got two questions:

(a) How many elections have their been without a current VP in the mix (I mean, obviously, of those years where there could be one, ie not when a sitting President is going for a 2nd term)?

(b) Imagine if Dick Cheney weren't VP (but still in some highly powerful advisor type position whispering satans dark word directly into the ear of the President) but instead there was a more youthful/ambitious VP who in any other Presidency would just naturally be taking a shot now.

I just think it would have been interesting. Would it be a first? Where a sitting VP is generally essentially handed the nomination and often a tough one to beat in the general, but this time around would not have stood a fucking chance, perhaps even with the nomination?
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I was hoping/expecting he'd endorse McCain. Maybe in the next few days.
he does not need to

he did McCain a huge favor in SC


endorsements don't really mean much


does Limbaugh's anti-endorsement affect you?
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(b) Imagine if Dick Cheney weren't VP (but still in some highly powerful advisor type position whispering satans dark word directly into the ear of the President) but instead there was a more youthful/ambitious VP who in any other Presidency would just naturally be taking a shot now.

I just think it would have been interesting. Would it be a first? Where a sitting VP is generally essentially handed the nomination and often a tough one to beat in the general, but this time around would not have stood a fucking chance, perhaps even with the nomination?

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he does not need to

he did McCain a huge favor in SC
True.


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does Limbaugh's anti-endorsement affect you?
Not really. I wish Rush liked him more than he seems to, but I'd bet he still votes for him in the general election.
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I wish Rush liked him more than he seems to, but I'd bet he still votes for him in the general election.


Limbaugh never voted for Reagan.
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Limbaugh never voted for Reagan.
He didn't? I wasn't aware of that.
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It was a terrible debate. Edwards was probably the best. The continued sniping between Clinton and Obama made both of them look fairly pathetic last night.


I'm liking Edwards again.
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He didn't? I wasn't aware of that.
To be fair
he did not vote for the other guy, either.
in the 70s and 80s he was never bothered to register to vote

his grandfather being a judge and all
and him bragging about his conservative family,
and he doesn't even take the time to vote
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I'm liking Edwards again.
I don't necessarily like any of them or any politician

but, i do believe it makes a huge difference
if a W or a Al Gore was our President

so, I will vote for the best option
I always vote, not that it matters (f*cken electoral college)
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How many elections have their been without a current VP in the mix (I mean, obviously, of those years where there could be one, ie not when a sitting President is going for a 2nd term)?
Fifteen (out of a total of fifty-five elections).
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Would it be a first? Where a sitting VP is generally essentially handed the nomination and often a tough one to beat in the general, but this time around would not have stood a fucking chance, perhaps even with the nomination?
Actually, after Martin Van Buren's win in 1836, no incumbent VPs managed to win the general election again until Bush Sr. in 1988, so it's by no means unusual for them to lose. And both incumbent Presidents and VPs have failed to win their own party's nomination before--multiple times. 2008 is, however, the first time since 1952 that no incumbents are in the running, so it's been a while.

The most recent prior example of the situation you're describing would probably be 1920, when Woodrow Wilson's VP Thomas Marshall declined to run--he never publically stated why, but it's generally been assumed that it was because Wilson was so unpopular by the end of his term, due to the domestic aftermath of World War I. The opposition (Republican) candidate, Warren Harding, won by a landslide.
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I don't necessarily like any of them or any politician

but, i do believe it makes a huge difference
if a W or a Al Gore was our President

so, I will vote for the best option
I always vote, not that it matters (f*cken electoral college)
Yes. I'm thinking about the upcoming NM caucus. You know I'll vote for the Democrat candidate in November. But on Feb. 5 I can vote for whoever I want to and now I'm leaning towards Edwards again. I changed my IND status to DEM just so I can vote in the caucus and primary. I got my new voter card in the mail last week.
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a lot of Republicans are thinking this as well.

Well, the neo-cons may well be, secretly or otherwise.

Hillary is hot on the Iraq war.

Loves the thought of all those dead terraists.

(Did someone say Bush-lite?)
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