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Old 01-22-2008, 11:12 AM   #781
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Yeah, I think Obama really got beat up last night by both of them. Makes me wonder if he could hold his own against someone like McCain.


i actually think he did well, and i dont think McCain is some kind of debate champion. if he were the nominee, and if he were to win in the general, it would be because of the distance he's placed between himself and the Bush White House and their destructive policies while touting his experience and ability to work with Democrats and reach independents.

in an actual debate, i think McCain would be completely destroyed by both Hillary and Obama. but just because you're a better debater -- i.e., John Kerry -- doesn't mean you're going to win.
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:21 AM   #782
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while touting his experience and ability to work with Democrats and reach independents.
That's another thing that frustrates me. I hear all the Republicans on TV saying how they want someone who can unite the country and reach across the aisle, but when the fact that McCain has done just that comes up, they seem to condemn him for working with Democrats. I hate McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy as much as anyone else, but at least he has proven he can work with EVERYBODY,
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That's another thing that frustrates me. I hear all the Republicans on TV saying how they want someone who can unite the country and reach across the aisle, but when the fact that McCain has done just that comes up, they seem to condemn him for working with Democrats. I hate McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy as much as anyone else, but at least he has proven he can work with EVERYBODY,

and this is why i think, if we must have a Republican, please let it be John McCain.
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I hear all the Republicans on TV saying how they want someone who can unite the country and reach across the aisle, but when the fact that McCain has done just that comes up, they seem to condemn him for working with Democrats.
Republicans don't want unity, they never have. They are dividers by nature, it's part of their platform; tax cuts for the rich, the religious quotes by Huck and Romney are great examples, they are against any social movement that may bring equality to minorities, they hold on to the status quo of division with every last breath they have...
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22776911/page/4/


New York Times long article on Giuliani retaliations against opponents while mayor.
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Thompson's out.
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Thompson's out.
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So, you're saying Thompson's out?
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There is some speculation that he was a stalking horse for McCain.

To make sure Huckabee would not win SC and take
McCain out.

It was the S C loss in 2000 that ended McCain, then.
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There is some speculation that he was a stalking horse for McCain.

To make sure Huckabee would not win SC and take
McCain out.

It was the S C loss in 2000 that ended McCain, then.
if that is the case freddy really isn't a true conservative, but only a puppet for someone.

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Is there someone in this election who is a "true conservative?"
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Is there someone in this election who is a "true conservative?"
based upon what I have been reading on various sites

many GOPers believe Fred was their best choice

and many are discouraged with what remains
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Go Hillary!!!!!

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a lot of Republicans are thinking this as well.
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