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Old 01-17-2008, 12:16 AM   #721
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Chris Matthews tonight on Jay Leno:

"If you're in a room where he's (Obama) giving a speech, and you don't cry, you're not an American."


Excuse me, Chris?
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Old 01-17-2008, 12:36 AM   #722
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Well, this is the same guy who called male supporters of Hillary "castratos in the eunuch chorus," opined how listening to her "grates on some men" because she's like "fingernails on a blackboard," and spent so much time at the first Democratic debate analyzing how "pretty" and "well-turned out" Michelle Obama looked and how "demure" and "ladylike" Hillary looked that his embarrassed female co-host had to remind him these were Harvard- and Yale-educated lawyers he was talking about. So, I wouldn't waste too much time taking him seriously.
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:27 AM   #723
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I used to feel flattered when men said they put women up on a pedestal until it occurred to me some men put us there because they didn't want us to move.

I've started to notice an anecdotal change in a lot of people I know who always mouthed support for women. Suddenly when push comes to shove, an ugly side is starting to rear its head.
(However, conversely, some of the people I'd expect to throw a fit, are perfectly fine with the idea of women leaders. Which takes me back to my own caveat--never believe what a person says until they back it up with action.

Generally I don't throw accusations of sexism around loosely because I don't think all men are sexists (and I know many women are) and it too often turns into an us against them thing which is unhealthy for all of us. But I'm starting to find all this incredibly sad.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:48 AM   #724
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Anyone see the MSNBC debate from Nevada? The entire show is on YouTube in ten minute clips.

This is the kiss and make up debate.

Barack and Hillary obviously want to guarantee that they don't lose the other's supporters' votes come November.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:49 AM   #725
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The Democratic Party is mad at Michigan so it didn't enter any of its candidates. I saw Edwards on TV last night and he was pissed.
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Candidates' humble abodes

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I can't believe what 500 grand gets you in Arkansas
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Even with lower prices, my crackerbox here in OC is worth almost as much as Huck's.
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When Ross Perot Calls…

The former presidential candidate blasts John McCain, and gets an education about Barack Obama's religion.
By Jonathan Alter
Newsweek Web Exclusive
Updated: 9:25 PM ET Jan 16, 2008

The phone rang and it was Ross Perot, who hasn't given an interview in years. Perot, who won 19 percent of the vote in the 1992 presidential election, making him one of the strongest third-party candidates in American history, got straight to the point.

"Remember what you wrote about John McCain in the March 13, 2000, NEWSWEEK?"

"Sure," I lied.

"When McCain called Perot 'nuttier than a fruitcake'?"

The Texas billionaire, now 77, still has some scores to settle from the Vietnam era, and his timing is exquisite. Just days before the South Carolina GOP primary, he wants me to know that McCain "is the classic opportunist--he's always reaching for attention and glory. Other POWs won't even sit at the same table with him."

Mark Salter, McCain's longtime top aide, says the Arizona senator has plenty of veteran support and many close friendships among other former POWs.

The Perot-McCain relationship goes back to McCain's five and a half years of captivity in Hanoi. When McCain's then-wife Carol was in a serious car accident, McCain's mother called Perot for help. "She asked me to send my people to Philadelphia to take care of the family," Perot says. Afterwards, McCain was grateful. "We loved him [Perot] for it," McCain told me in 2000.

Perot doesn't remember it that way. "After he came home, he walked with a limp, she [Carol McCain] walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona [Cindy McCain, his current wife] and the rest is history."

Perot's real problem with McCain is that he believes the senator hushed up evidence that live POWs were left behind in Vietnam and even transferred to the Soviet Union for human experimentation, a charge Perot says he heard from a senior Vietnamese official in the 1980s. "There's evidence, evidence, evidence," Perot claims. "McCain was adamant about shutting down anything to do with recovering POWs."

Not surprisingly, McCain sees it differently. He has told me several times over the years that the myth of live POWs was a cruel hoax on the families. He chaired hearings into the issue in the 1990s and found nothing. "The committee did an exhaustive job and pored over thousands of records and every claim of a sighting, no matter how outlandish," says Salter. "It was all untrue."

Perot says he intends to vote for Mitt Romney in the Texas Republican primary on March 4, citing Romney's experience in business and his family values. "When I went to the Naval Academy and met my first Mormons I asked why so many were excellent officers," Perot recalls. "I learned it was because of their strong family unit."

When I asked about Barack Obama, Perot said he admired his eloquence but thought it "a little odd that we would be less concerned about his background than being a Mormon." Perot was pleasantly surprised when I told him that Obama was a Christian, not a Muslim, and relieved when I informed him that the e-mail Perot (and untold others) received about Obama not respecting the Pledge of Allegiance was a fraud.

Perot isn't a Hillary hater, but he's not a fan either, relating the bumper sticker he received that reads: "Monica Lewinsky's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife for President."

The founder of a data-processing empire is still sharp in diagnosing what ails the United States. "The situation in 1992 was not nearly as bad as it is now," he says. "If ever there was a time when it was necessary to put our house in order, it's now.

"It's like having cancer and being in denial. The conduct of the House and Senate is an embarrassment to the nation." President Bush, Perot says, is a "decent person, but you can't say the same thing about the people around him."

Perot is appalled at the specter of big banks having to borrow from foreigners to stay afloat: "We have to go around the world with a tambourine and a tin cup."

He attributes the success of China to the fact that even uneducated Chinese must learn 3,000 characters early in life, compared to the 26 letters in the English alphabet. "Their hand-eye productivity is incredible because of drawing the symbols," Perot says, noting that most of today's Ph.D.s in engineering are from China and India, and only a small percentage from the United States.

Perot offers no easy solutions, instead emphasizing "a strong moral and ethical base, strong homes and the finest schools." He says he's disappointed that big textbook companies successfully lobbied in the Texas state legislature to reverse his landmark school reforms.

The pint-size Texan with the funny voice and the big ears isn't planning to run for president again, but says he will launch a Web site next month with plenty of the charts and graphs he made famous when explaining the deficit in 1992.

Before hanging up, Perot asked me to read the books he recommended on live POWs. I promised him I would.
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I thought he was older than 77

Where's Dana Carvey when you need him?
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(CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton has lost a large amount of support among African-Americans, with a majority of black Democrats now supporting Sen. Barack Obama, according to a new poll out Friday.

In a national survey by CNN/Opinion Research Corp., 59 percent of black Democrats backed Obama, an Illinois Democrat, for their party's presidential nomination, with 31 percent supporting Clinton, the senator from New York.

The 28 point lead for Obama is a major reversal from October, when Clinton held a 24 point lead among black Democrats.

"There's been a huge shift among African-American Democrats from Clinton to Obama. African-American Democrats used to be reluctant to support Obama because they didn't think a black man could be elected. Then Obama won Iowa and nearly won New Hampshire. Now they believe," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst.

"Obama's lead over Clinton among black men is more than 50 points, and among black women, once a Clinton stronghold, Obama has an 11 point advantage," said CNN polling director Keating Holland.

It also appears the recent bickering between Clinton and Obama and their campaigns over race has hurt both candidates. Clinton has the support of 42 percent of all registered Democrats in the new survey, down seven points from last week's CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll. Obama has the backing of 33 percent of those questioned, down three percentage points in a week.

The beneficiary appears to be former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, who jumped 5 points, to 17 percent.

"Why have Clinton and Obama both lost support over the past week? One word: squabbling. If two candidates get into a fight, the third candidate usually gains. Sure enough, John Edwards gained," Schneider said.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio is at 3 percent in the new poll, with former Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska with support of less than 0.5 percent.

In the battle for the Republican presidential nomination, the survey suggests Sen. John McCain remains the front-runner, but his support among registered Republicans has dropped 5 points since last week's survey, which was taken immediately after the senator from Arizona won the New Hampshire primary.

McCain is at 29 percent, with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at 20 percent and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 19 percent, up five points from last week. Romney won Tuesday's Michigan primary.

"There was a Michigan bounce," Schneider said. "But McCain still leads. Conservatives, however, are divided between McCain at 26 percent, Huckabee at 24 percent and Romney at 20 percent. Saturday's South Carolina GOP primary should tell us if there's going to be a conservative favorite in this race."

About half the interviews for the new poll were taken before the Michigan primary results were known.

The poll indicates Huckabee may be hurt by perceptions about his leadership abilities.

"Nearly half of registered Republicans say he does not have the leadership skills and vision a president should have. Romney and McCain score much better on this measure," Holland said.

Rudy Giuliani is at 14 percent in the new survey. That's a drop of four points from last week's poll for the former New York mayor.

"Giuliani's support is half of what it was in November, when he last led in the national polls. Giuliani has a problem on issues. Forty-five percent of registered Republicans say they disagree with him on issues that matter to them. McCain ranks highest among registered Republicans on both measures," Holland said.

Former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee has the backing of 9 percent of registered Republicans in the survey, with Rep. Ron Paul of Texas at 6 percent and Rep. Duncan Hunter of California at 1 percent.

Looking ahead to the general election, the GOP has several matters to address. The poll indicates Democrats are much more enthusiastic than Republicans about voting so far this year.

"If that pattern persists, turnout may be a concern for the GOP in November," Holland said.

When all voters nationwide are asked to evaluate the major candidates in both parties, only one Republican candidate, McCain, fares well on issues and personal qualities. Most registered voters say Clinton and Obama -- as well as McCain -- have the necessary leadership skills and vision to be president. But most voters don't feel that way about Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee.

The same is true on issues. A majority of registered voters nationwide say McCain, Obama and Clinton agree with them on issues that matter, but a majority of voters disagree with Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee on important issues.

The economy continues to top the list of the public's biggest concerns, with Iraq, terrorism and health care not far behind. Four in 10 Americans now say the economy is in good shape, down 6 points since December and 14 points since the fall. Nearly six in 10, 59 percent, say the economy is in poor shape.

Regarding Iraq, the number of Americans who say things are going well for the U.S. has jumped 12 points since November, to 46 percent. Support for the war has grown 3 points in the same time.

The poll involved interviews with 1,393 adult Americans, including 448 registered voters who describe themselves as Democrats and 377 registered voters who describe themselves as Republicans. They were interviewed from January 14-17.

The poll's sampling error is plus-or-minus 5 percentage points for the Republican respondents, 4.5 percentage points for the Democratic respondents, and 8 percentage points for the African-American Democrat respondents.
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So he is younger than McCain?
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Isn't McCain 71? I'm not sure.
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