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Old 01-11-2008, 03:52 PM   #676
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Oh, you dirty liberals
Why can't you be more like the Republicans:Pray:?

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The Republicans pull tricks too. But it's sad that whenever the topic of dirty tricks comes up here, all the talk is about the evil Republicans and how perfect the Democrats are.
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Oh trust me, I'll be the first to admit the dems are FAR from perfect. No political party is.
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Old 01-11-2008, 03:54 PM   #678
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Republicans would do the same thing if the tables were turned.
A) You don't know that.

B) That doesn't make it ok.

C) It's the Democrats who are always complaining of dirty tricks by the Republicans. If they wanted to be taken more seriously, they wouldn't be doing this.


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Old 01-11-2008, 04:03 PM   #679
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While Giuliani continues to wait for Florida, McCain has not done any compaigning in Florida has jumped out to an 8 point lead over Giuliani in Florida.

The latest poll done there on 01/09 - 01/10 by Survey USA has the following results for Republicans:

McCain 27%
Giuliani 19%
Huckabee 17%
Romney 17%
Thompson 8%
Paul 5%
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A) You don't know that.
It's quite naive to think they wouldn't do it. It's just the reality of both parties.

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B) That doesn't make it ok.
I don't believe she said it was.

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C) It's the Democrats who are always complaining of dirty tricks by the Republicans. If they wanted to be taken more seriously, they wouldn't be doing this.


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Each party complains about it as much as the other. Neither should be doing it, but they will anyway.
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What phanan said
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A) You don't know that.

B) That doesn't make it ok.



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Dirty tricks in Michigan?????


We don't know the GOP would do that ???????


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Published on Tuesday, July 20, 2004

Nader's "Grassroots" Campaign...Courtesy of GOP
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Four years after the Florida debacle, with nearly all of Ralph Nader's longtime progressive allies now tactically supporting Kerry in swing states to retire the Bush regime, the Nader campaign has created none of the grassroots thunder of 2000. Indeed, it's been a hollow enterprise -- attracting a few leftwing sects and polemicists.

Given this vacuum, it's no surprise that pro-Bush forces have rushed to Nader's side. What is a surprise is the brazenness of their support. And, how readily Nader has accepted the right-wing help.

Nader has complained -- correctly in at least one state -- of covert Democratic efforts to keep him off ballots. But in Michigan, he has no such excuse. In that key battleground state, after Nader volunteers had collected only 5,000 of the 30,000 signatures necessary to get on the ballot, Michigan's Republican Party came to the rescue with 43,000 Nader signatures.
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Hopefully McCain wins by such a margin that it doesnt matter.
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But it's sad that whenever the topic of dirty tricks comes up here, all the talk is about the evil Republicans and how perfect the Democrats are.
Really? Well, please point that out next time you see it. I can't wait till that 'Perfect Democrat' thread gets posted.

I think part of it, is that the Republicans in general have been selling themselves as the moral party, and when you sell yourself as the moral party the fall is usually a much bigger fall, and much much easier to see. But if you haven't spent so much of your time placing yourself on a soapbox or a cross the fall has much less impact.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:07 PM   #685
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CNN polling now has John McCain as the clear Republican front runner nationally. Hillary Clinton has the lead for the Democrats.


Registered Republicans
Jan
9-10
2008
McCain 34%
Huckabee 21%
Giuliani 18%
Romney 14%
Thompson 6%
Paul 5%
Hunter 1%
No opinion 2%




Registered Democrats
Jan
9-10
2008
Clinton 49%
Obama 36%
Edwards 12%
Kucinich 1%
Gravel *
No opinion 2%



Here is an 8 page analysis from CNN Opinion Research:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/11/rel1a.pdf
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I've seen some real trash about Obama. Stuff about his Muslim school, stuff about him being a Catholic, all sorts of crazy stuff.
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Scary thought 1: If it comes down to McCain v. Hillary. Republicans win.

Scary thought 2: If it comes down to McCain v. Hillary, with Bloomberg running independant, Republicans surely win.

Scary thought 3: If it comes down to McCain v. Hillary, I might actually vote McCain, despite him coming off as too old and slightly delusional compared to his 2000 self.
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CNN polling now has John McCain as the clear Republican front runner nationally. Hillary Clinton has the lead for the Democrats.
Looks like they didn't poll the independents though.
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Looks like they didn't poll the independents though.
Any independents who are able to vote in the Republican primaries would overwhelmingly vote for McCain. For the Democrats it appears they would raise Obama's profile so it would be an issue for the Democrats, but again, many states do not allow independents to vote in the party primaries.
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I'm voting for the Democrat. No way I could vote for a Republican.
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