US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - Part III

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Canadiens1160 said:
Romney is such a tool :lmao: I don't even know if that was more than slightly racist, but wow, just wow :lmao:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwwAaVmnf4

The people with him didn't have a problem with him-only you do for whatever reason.

One could speculate or juxtapose that only closet racists would feel uncomfortable with Mitt's interaction with those supporters.

Everyone was happy and having a good time.

dbs
 
Duncan Hunter endorsed Mike Huckabee today.

Weird how all the former candidates have endorsed different people:

Tommy Thompson endorsed Giuliani
Sam Brownback endorsed McCain
Tom Tancredo endorsed Romney
and now Hunter.
 
diamond said:


The people with him didn't have a problem with him-only you do for whatever reason.

One could speculate or juxtapose that only closet racists would feel uncomfortable with Mitt's interaction with those supporters.

Everyone was happy and having a good time.

dbs

It was obvious HE was uncomfortable, overtly racist? nah, but obviously uncomfortable.

He wouldn't bust out into an NSYNC song if surrounded by a bunch of white kids.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
He wouldn't bust out into an NSYNC song if surrounded by a bunch of white kids.

Of coures not. NSYNC is so 90s. Maybe "Hey There Delilah." At which point he would lose all of his votes. :wink:

In all seriousness, yeah, that's kind of racist.
 
phillyfan26 said:


Of coures not. NSYNC is so 90s.

Actually, I looked up billboard to find the equivelant "white version" of 'Who Let the Dog's Out?' released in 2000, and NSync was the first one I saw on the 2000 billboard list that made sense... I'm such a geek that way.:wink:
 
:lol: Whatever happened to those guys? They were fantastic. I mean look at the lyrics to that song. Timeless.
 
phillyfan26 said:



In all seriousness, yeah, that's kind of racist.

Are you kidding me? Racist? It was a stupid, clearly embarrassing thing to say, and I cringed when I saw it the first time, but for pete's sake, it isn't racist. :banghead:

I could argue that Bill Clinton is racist for falling asleep during a speech given by the son of the greatest civil rights leader in this country's history.
 
phillyfan26 said:
Why is it embarassing to say?

Well I mean it's probably embarrassing for Romney supporters. I saw it, and like I said, I cringed because I knew everyone would make fun of him for it, and it was a bad attempt to seem cool.
 
You know what? I think I'll concede that to you. I don't think it's racist now that I think it over again. I think what BVS said is partially true, but I think he was much more uncomfortable with the fact that it was a young audience, not a black one.
 
This campaign is something else.
I'll be glad when the SC primary is over.

Bill Clinton is running up and down the state, telling anyone that will listen
"Hillary won't blow it."
 
The Two Headed Monster

I don't know about you but I'm getting absolutley sick and tired of the Two Headed Monster that is the Clinton's. I'm appalled that "the first black president" is doing everything in his power to stop The First Black President. I just cannot stand his whining - they are like two spoiled little children having to get they're way. These two will stop at nothing. They are power hungry to a degree I have not seen in politics in a long long while - if ever. Don't get me wrong, I liked Bill (at least before a few weeks ago) and almost anything is better than Bush, but these two risk a backlash so big that it will propel the Republicans into the Whitehouse yet another four years. They're behavior is despicable and hopefully America is sick enough and smart enough to stop these two before it's too late. It's a real shame, this could have been such a great election...exciting, magical even, almost like RFK 1968 - but instead of an assasins bullet... this year it's a two headed monster.
 
Watching Romney on Fox News right now...

I think he got a new template; his hair looks a little different tonight.
 
Re: The Two Headed Monster

Harry Vest said:
I don't know about you but I'm getting absolutley sick and tired of the Two Headed Monster that is the Clinton's. I'm appalled that "the first black president" is doing everything in his power to stop The First Black President. I just cannot stand his whining - they are like two spoiled little children having to get they're way. These two will stop at nothing. They are power hungry to a degree I have not seen in politics in a long long while - if ever. Don't get me wrong, I liked Bill (at least before a few weeks ago) and almost anything is better than Bush, but these two risk a backlash so big that it will propel the Republicans into the Whitehouse yet another four years. They're behavior is despicable and hopefully America is sick enough and smart enough to stop these two before it's too late. It's a real shame, this could have been such a great election...exciting, magical even, almost like RFK 1968 - but instead of an assasins bullet... this year it's a two headed monster.

I found the reference to RFK interesting in the context of your post. Prior to his, for lack of a better word, conversion (and I believe it was a genuine conversion. RFK was the first and only politician I adored), RFK was considered an absolutely ruthless politician. Perhaps in all the reading I've done about him, ruthless was the most consistent adjective attached to him. The Kennedys were Clintonesque (or the Clintons Kennedyesque) in their politics. I think you could find many comparisons--down to the relative of a former President carpetbagging a Senate seat in New York and the reverence of JFK (and to a lesser extent Bobby) among many blacks then.
 
Re: The Two Headed Monster

Harry Vest said:
I don't know about you but I'm getting absolutley sick and tired of the Two Headed Monster that is the Clinton's. I'm appalled that "the first black president" is doing everything in his power to stop The First Black President. I just cannot stand his whining - they are like two spoiled little children having to get they're way. These two will stop at nothing. They are power hungry to a degree I have not seen in politics in a long long while - if ever. Don't get me wrong, I liked Bill (at least before a few weeks ago) and almost anything is better than Bush, but these two risk a backlash so big that it will propel the Republicans into the Whitehouse yet another four years. They're behavior is despicable and hopefully America is sick enough and smart enough to stop these two before it's too late. It's a real shame, this could have been such a great election...exciting, magical even, almost like RFK 1968 - but instead of an assasins bullet... this year it's a two headed monster.


read this book:

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phillyfan26 said:
You know what? I think I'll concede that to you. I don't think it's racist now that I think it over again. I think what BVS said is partially true, but I think he was much more uncomfortable with the fact that it was a young audience, not a black one.

Are you talking about the South Carolina debate?
 
NY Times

January 24, 2008
Romney Leads in Ill Will Among G.O.P. Candidates
By MICHAEL LUO

TAMPA, Fla. — At the end of the Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire this month, when the Democrats joined the candidates on stage, Mitt Romney found himself momentarily alone as his counterparts mingled, looking around a bit stiffly for a companion.

The moment was emblematic of a broader reality that has helped shape the Republican contest and could take center stage again on Thursday at a debate in Florida. Within the small circle of contenders, Mr. Romney has become the most disliked.

With so much attention recently on the sniping between Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama on the Democratic side, the almost visceral scorn directed at Mr. Romney by his rivals has been overshadowed.

“Never get into a wrestling match with a pig,” Senator John McCain said in New Hampshire this month after reporters asked him about Mr. Romney. “You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.”

Mike Huckabee’s pugilistic campaign chairman, Ed Rollins, appeared to stop just short of threatening Mr. Romney with physical violence at one point.

“What I have to do is make sure that my anger with a guy like Romney, whose teeth I want to knock out, doesn’t get in the way of my thought process,” Mr. Rollins said.

Campaign insiders and outside strategists point to several factors driving the ill will, most notably, Mr. Romney’s attacks on opponents in television commercials, the perception of him as an ideological panderer and resentment about his seemingly unlimited resources as others have struggled to raise cash.

Mr. Romney’s campaign contends that the hostility is driven by the fact that he has aggressively sought to win the early primaries, setting himself up as the chief antagonist, first, to Mr. Huckabee in Iowa and then to Mr. McCain in New Hampshire.

Mr. Romney continues to be a mountain in the paths of both men, as well as Rudolph W. Giuliani, to the nomination.

A spokesman for the Romney campaign, Kevin Madden, said, “I think it’s largely driven by the fact that everybody’s taught to tackle the guy on the field with the ball.”

But the New Hampshire debate was striking in that it amounted to a gang tackle of Mr. Romney, even though Mr. McCain was leading in polls in the state.

“The glee the other candidates go after Romney with is really unique,” said Dan Schnur, a Republican strategist who worked on Mr. McCain’s presidential campaign bid in 2000 but is not affiliated with any campaign now.

A senior adviser to Mr. Romney, Ronald C. Kaufman, pointed to his vast personal fortune and upstart status in the political world as breeding resentment.

“They think he didn’t pay his dues,” said Mr. Kaufman, who argued that Mr. Romney had done so by working tirelessly in his campaign.

In stark contrast to Mr. Romney, Mr. McCain seems to be universally liked and respected by the other Republican contenders, even if they disagree with him.

Mr. Schnur used a schoolyard analogy to compare Mr. Romney, the ever-proper Harvard Law School and Business School graduate, to Mr. McCain, the gregarious rebel who racked up demerits and friends at the Naval Academy.

“John McCain and his friends used to beat up Mitt Romney at recess,” Mr. Schnur said.

Although Mr. McCain has now started to draw some cautious challenges from Mr. Giuliani in Florida, he has a longstanding friendship with him, dating from 1998, when they first met.

Mr. McCain also seems to have fallen into a mutual nonaggression pact with Mr. Huckabee, who has been almost fawning in his compliments for Mr. McCain and dripping with contempt when discussing Mr. Romney.

Mr. McCain has drawn criticism as being excessively personal in striking back at Mr. Romney. So he has tried to play down any notion that he harbors special animosity toward him, saying he simply does not know him well.

But Mr. McCain’s advisers, whose distaste for Mr. Romney is vivid, say Mr. McCain has been irked by what they perceive as misleading attacks and Mr. Romney’s willingness to say anything to be elected.

“He doesn’t play by the same rules the rest of us do,” said Charlie Black, a senior McCain strategist.

McCain aides were positively gleeful last week as they watched replays aboard their campaign bus of a heated back and forth between Mr. Romney and an Associated Press reporter who challenged an assertion about the influence of lobbyists in his campaign.

Nevertheless, before he criticizes rivals, Mr. Romney often pauses to say that the man is a “friend,” and he seems to believe it.

Mr. Giuliani endorsed Mr. Romney in his race for Massachusetts governor in 2002 and campaigned for him. Mr. Romney got to know Mr. McCain while running the 2002 Winter Olympic Games and went to Washington to seek federal money.

Mr. Romney probably knows Mr. Huckabee the best, aides said, as the two were governors at the same time and ran into each other often through the Republican Governors Association and the National Governors Association.

Paradoxically, sometimes the enmity between them appears to be the sharpest.

Aides to Mr. Huckabee say he did not get to know Mr. Romney very well as a governor, finding him distant at meetings. The aides said they were also irritated that Mr. Romney did not call after Mr. Huckabee’s victory in Iowa.

Mr. Romney shrugged off any tension with his rivals when asked about it.

“You know,” he said, “in this process, people have a real battle for success. But I consider these guys friends.”
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
NY Times

January 24, 2008



Mr. Romney’s campaign contends that the hostility is driven by the fact that he has aggressively sought to win the early primaries,

A senior adviser to Mr. Romney, Ronald C. Kaufman, pointed to his vast personal fortune and upstart status in the political world as breeding resentment.

“They think he didn’t pay his dues,” said Mr. Kaufman, who argued that Mr. Romney had done so by working tirelessly in his campaign.


Mr. Romney shrugged off any tension with his rivals when asked about it.

“You know,” he said, “in this process, people have a real battle for success. But I consider these guys friends.”


Yes it is unfair how they pile on Romney.
I think Mitt handles himself well with his attitude towards his competitors, found in this verse:

Luke 6:28

28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

dbs
 
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