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Old 01-01-2008, 06:49 PM   #391
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But you can imagine Hillary voters voting for him?? Seriously, on what planet? He stands for virtually everything in 180 degree opposition to her platform.
Including the war. Hillary, the well know 'far leftist', is very much a war monger candidate.
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Ah yes, the good ole VLWC.

I wouldn't put it past your crowd to bomb a few buildings and blame it on the Moslems.
Like on 9/11, right?
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eta: Especially after that idiot Nader and his idiot followers put Bush in the White House.
Er, no. I think you'll find that would've been the massive electoral fraud.
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Like on 9/11, right?
Putting words in my mouth, nice.

Mind you, for the sake of argument, if I were to suggest that 9/11 was an 'inside job' then according to some polls, a majority of Americans would agree with me.

Though in actual fact, I don't really know what precisely happened on 9/11 (and neither, I suspect, do you.)
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disenfranchised white men
It's interesting that this rather insulting comment about Ron Paul's supporters, which does not appear to be said in jest, goes unremarked on FYM.

If someone remarked jovially that Hillary might be likely to attract the lesbian vote, would such a comment pass unnoticed?
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If someone remarked jovially that Hillary might be likely to attract the lesbian vote, would such a comment pass unnoticed?
Probably.
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There are a lot more scared white guys than lesbians in the US.
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There are a lot more scared white guys than lesbians in the US.
But what are they scared of?
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But what are they scared of?
Losing their advantage...
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Losing their advantage...
why would they be Ron Paul supporters?
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why would they be Ron Paul supporters?
Look deep. He represents what they want: fewer restrictions on who can be discriminated against, all couched in the rhetoric of "states' rights" which has been the thrust of white supremacists for years. Ron wants to extend "states' rights" to include the ability to prevent gay people from getting married. He has been friendly to racist beliefs in his past, although he's gently disavowed this recently. He's what many frightened white guys want: someone who understands the perceived loss of the hegemony of white men.
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Look deep. He represents what they want: fewer restrictions on who can be discriminated against, all couched in the rhetoric of "states' rights" which has been the thrust of white supremacists for years. Ron wants to extend "states' rights" to include the ability to prevent gay people from getting married. He has been friendly to racist beliefs in his past, although he's gently disavowed this recently. He's what many frightened white guys want: someone who understands the perceived loss of the hegemony of white men.
In other threads, you've argued that white men very much still enjoy near-hegemony in the US.

And yet, Ron Paul - the preferred white man's candidate, according to you - has little access to mainstream media, is still very much a fringe candidate, and is largely ignored on network TV (I think Fox News have done the very occasional interview with him). It's odd that these all-powerful white men have such control of the airwaves but don't bother pushing their favoured candidate.

There seems to be a slight inconsistency here somewhere!

The neo-cons have been planning from day one to mischaracterize Paul as a white supremacist. It's disturbing how successful their propaganda is becoming.
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why would they be Ron Paul supporters?
Yeah, I'd presume there are better alternatives for the demographic Martha's bringing up than Ron Paul.
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Yeah, I'd presume there are better alternatives for the demographic Martha's bringing up than Ron Paul.
There was an interesting poll done of his supporters that I saw maybe 3-4 weeks ago and it was overwhelmingly men (white) of a certain age. I don't want to speak in details because I honestly don't remember but I remember noticing that it wasn't senior citizen men (65+), but largely the 20-40 group.

They obviously find him attractive in ways that minorities and women voters don't. What particularly about him attracts them is probably arguable.
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If someone remarked jovially that Hillary might be likely to attract the lesbian vote, would such a comment pass unnoticed?
Well I doubt that Hillary would attract that constituency, but you're certainly free to argue it to be the case.
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