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Old 01-30-2008, 04:24 PM   #16
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John McCain is John Kerry. no question. the Republicans looked around at the rest of the freak show running for president, and decided he was the *only* electable candidate.

McCain's success has less to do with his own heretofore disastrous campaign and more to do with the imploding of Giuliani, the rise of Huckabee, and the shocking plasticity of Romney. much like Kerry benefited from the weirdness of Dean, the lack of emotion from Gephardt, and the relative newness of Edwards. his campaign was over and done with last summer. he had no money. everyone on his staff was quitting. he was saved by the shockingly weak Republican field.

he won Florida by appealing to anti-Bush GOP moderates. hardly a victory for the Republican party itself, as the infrastructure -- from Limbaugh to Malkin to Coulter to Hannity -- all despise the man.

the war in Iraq has helped McCain only insofar as he has distanced himself from the obvious disaster of pretty much everything, pre-"surge." he's spent countless speeches bashing Rumsfeld and Cheney, stopping just short of bashing Bush. he's had to do this. it was the only way to have any sort of credibility with anybody beyond the Republican base.

but, ironically, the "success" of the "surge" -- insofar as it creates the perception of progress for the next few months -- will put Iraq out of everyone's mind, especially as the US economy continues to crumble. and, thus, McCain will find it most difficult to speak to the base of either party.

it will be a battle for the middle, and watch for McCain to swing back to the middle after pandering for the next few weeks.
That sums everthing up so well. I really like the Kerry analogy. I'd never thought of it like that before, but it's good. For me, McCain is the only Republican candiate (who actually has a chance at getting the nomination) that I would be halfway ok with being president. However, his support of the war makes that feeling go away pretty quickly.
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Does he not get that if he were to run and spoil it for the dems then that guarantees the GOP in the WH? The man baffles me sometimes.

sometimes I think, that is his goal.

- to crash and kill the Democrats

when they choose candidates that are not liberal enough

for the true liberals.


Nader sees Hillary as being pro business, NAFTA, free trade and the like

Obama the same, he even campaigns talking like a Republican-lite


so with these two,

Nader would rather crash and kill -
and let the GOP win


So the Dems can be reborn as the true liberal party he believes it should be.
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and as Nader fules his egomanical fantasies and tries to remake the world in his own image, we are approaching 4,000 dead Americans in Iraq.

way to fucking go, Ralph. you helped elect a guy who's killed far, far more people than you saved making cars safer.
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McCain Warns: "There Will Be Other Wars"

The presidential candidate who sang "Bomb bomb Iran" is already looking towards the war after the war in Iraq.

Sen. John McCain told a crowd of supporters on Sunday, "It's a tough war we're in. It's not going to be over right away. There's going to be other wars." Offering more of his increasingly bleak "straight talk," he repeated the claim: "I'm sorry to tell you, there's going to be other wars. We will never surrender but there will be other wars."

McCain did not elaborate who the United States would be fighting. But he did warn the crowd to be ready for the ramifications of current and future battles.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...l_n_83459.html

It's great to see he's already planned out the next wars for us.
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It's great to see he's already planned out the next wars for us.
I don't think he was

You disagree with him? You think there will be zero more wars in the history of the United States? He's stating a fact. There will be more wars.
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Yeah, just accept war as a fact of life. It's quite a jumping off point.
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What a great day! The fear-monger and the ambulance chaser have been thrown under the wheels and we're down to McCain, Mitt (lol), Barack and HillHill.
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sometimes I think, that is his goal.

- to crash and kill the Democrats

when they choose candidates that are not liberal enough

for the true liberals.


Nader sees Hillary as being pro business, NAFTA, free trade and the like

Obama the same, he even campaigns talking like a Republican-lite


so with these two,

Nader would rather crash and kill -
and let the GOP win


So the Dems can be reborn as the true liberal party he believes it should be.
Nader can still go fuck himself.
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What a great day! The fear-monger and the ambulance chaser have been thrown under the wheels and we're down to McCain, Mitt (lol), Barack and HillHill.
Heads up, Canadiens.

You don't want to be accused of bias. Include Ron Paul.
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Yeah, just accept war as a fact of life. It's quite a jumping off point.


bomb bomb bomb // bomb bomb Iran
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I don't think he was

You disagree with him? You think there will be zero more wars in the history of the United States? He's stating a fact. There will be more wars.
Yes, I believe he has the next oil wars planned or thought out. And it will probably involve a draft.
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And it will probably involve a draft.
Which may finally shut people up about how wonderful all these wars are.

Including all the draft-age young men who post in here.
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Which may finally shut people up about how wonderful all these wars are.

Including all the draft-age young men who post in here.


but if we don't kill them there, THEY'LL KILL US HERE!!!!!!!

it's very simple.
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Which may finally shut people up about how wonderful all these wars are.

Including all the draft-age young men who post in here.
I'd break my leg to avoid it.
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but if we don't kill them there, THEY'LL KILL US HERE!!!!!!!

it's very simple.
:smackshead: I keep forgetting that.
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