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Old 07-24-2008, 09:28 PM   #901
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That's because Europe and Europeans finally have the candidate they have always wanted. Since the beginning of time Europe has promoted socialism, and now America has the socialist candidate if there ever was one. No wonder everyone overseas is tripping over themselves over him.
You make conservatives look so incredibly stupid to the extent that I'm starting to suspect you may be a very clever satire.

Of the off chance that you are serious, please stop it. With statements like the above, you are doing yourself and the movement you claim to support no favours and giving the left ammunition in their attempts to paint us as bigoted reactonaries.
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I, for one, was truly embarrassed by Obama's speech. Why was he speaking English? Why wasn't he speaking German? I thought he wanted all of us speaking foreign languages when we went abroad.
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A man at the Wall began screaming: "Obama, Jerusalem is our land! Obama, Jerusalem is not for sale!"

He kept yelling this for Obama's entire 10 minutes at the Wall, refusing to stop despite repeated entreaties to do so from the crowd.

Obama chatted with the men with whom he'd come to the Wall, before walking to the Wall to place a note he had previously written between the Wall's cracks. He put his hand on the Wall, bowed his head and appeared contemplative.

The heckler, not an Obama fan, continued yelling.

Obama turned from the Wall and walked back to his crowd. Some young men tried to drown out the heckler, chanting, "Obama! Obama! Obama!"

After shaking some hands, Obama got back in his motorcade and headed to the airport.

"It was rowdier than the last time I was there, you know?" Obama told reporters on the plane. "I mean, people were sort of, like, holerin'. We did get some good pictures. You know I was expecting more reverence."
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Good judgement? What say you?

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I, for one, was truly embarrassed by Obama's speech. Why was he speaking English? Why wasn't he speaking German? I thought he wanted all of us speaking foreign languages when we went abroad.
Yikes!

**armaroundshoulder** Buddy. . .I don't think Obama's the one you should be embarrassed for.
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If the goal was to use the Holy Land for a photo op?
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If the goal was to use the Holy Land for a photo op?
I'm not sure I follow you. . .I was actually referencing your quote about the heckler but it didn't show up in the quote box.
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I'm not sure I follow you. . .I was actually referencing your quote about the heckler but it didn't show up in the quote box.

Obama went to and intentionally used the Holy Lands, the Temple Mount, for photo opportunities for his campaign.



Was it savvy political judgment?

I think it was poor taste.

Canceled a trip to wounded troops in Germany, not a good a photo op ?
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McCain had a photo op at the Wall when he was there in March (and he too had problems with "hecklers"). I think that's a pretty standard visiting politicians' stop.
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Obama went to and intentionally used the Holy Lands, the Temple Mount, for photo opportunities for his campaign.

Well, you may be right. . .with the way McCain's campaign is framing the trip and some of the downright ridiculous posts in here about his questionable "American-ness" due to his popularity with the Europeans. Apparently, someone with better judgement would understand that he must play up American "exceptionalism" if he expects to win. If that is really true, than our country is far worse shape than I EVER thought possible.
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Here's a thought:

Maybe it's a GOOD thing to have a president that much of the rest of the world is eager to work with. Maybe we could use that after Bush spent 8 years squandering U.S. political captial abroad.

I would hope that many people in America might see his "European tour" and it's positive response as a good thing and maybe a reason to vote for Obama.

There are others of course that feel that our presidential candidates should take pains to remind the rest of the world that we are better than they are. God help us, if these people carry the day.

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My first guess: photoshopped

Both signs have the exact same curl in the corner. Same writing above. And the colors on the left banner seemed altered.

And then if you bring this image into an editing software and do a quick contrast, you can see some pixels on the left banner are obviously manipulated.
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They interviewed a guy on TV who had one of those signs and he seemed to be an Obama supporter (by his accent I'd guess Israeli-born). It didn't sound like anything official.
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Grasping at straws, deep?

So my friends and ardent Obama supporters,

as of now, it appears the Obama campaign did trash up the Temple Mount with tacky campaign signs.


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Advertises Democrat candidate's website, official slogan at Judaism's holiest site



Posted: July 24, 2008
1:44 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein


JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama's campaign plastered the entrance to the Western Wall – the holiest site in Judaism – with official campaign posters, WND has learned.

Jerusalem police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld confirmed to WND posters that adorned police barricades erected at the Western Wall plaza for Obama's visit were distributed by the presidential candidate's campaign.

"These posters were his campaign and not the doing of the police," said Rosenfeld, whose police department coordinated security and provided protection for Obama's visit today to the holy site.

Asked if it was traditional practice for politicians visiting the Western Wall to bring along posters or campaign materials, Rosenfeld replied, "No."


Obama campaign posters can be seen in media footage of the Illinois senator's early morning surprise visit to the Western Wall.

His visit reportedly was not on the official campaign schedule.


The posters display Obama's name in Hebrew. One poster erected on the main police barricade used by Obama to enter the holy site boasts the official red, white and blue campaign "O" symbol and advertises the candidate's campaign's website.

A second poster also displays Obama's name in Hebrew and contains an image of Israeli and Obama flags.

Reuters posted images of the Obama campaign posters showing a handful of people waiting behind the police barricades.

Reuters images had the following caption:

"Supporters of U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) stand behind banners printed with his name in Hebrew as they wait for his arrival at the Western wall."

The caption implied supporters brought along the pro-Obama material.

But an eyewitness speaking to WND tells a different story.


"The kids waiting for Obama may not even be Obama supporters. No one knew Obama was coming in advance. We saw the police barricades erected. We saw Obama's face on the posters, and some police said Obama was on his way. So a few people gathered by the barricades and waited for Obama," said the witness.

Obama's media relations department in the U.S. did not reply to a WND phone call request for comment.

Obama arrived at about 5 a.m. Jerusalem time. He wore a Jewish skullcap and placed a prayer in the wall he said he had written. He bowed his head while a rabbi read a psalm calling for peace in the holy city.
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Here's a thought:

Maybe it's a GOOD thing to have a president that much of the rest of the world is eager to work with. Maybe we could use that after Bush spent 8 years squandering U.S. political capital abroad.

I would hope that many people in America might see his "European tour" and it's positive response as a good thing and maybe a reason to vote for Obama.

There are others of course that feel that our presidential candidates should take pains to remind the rest of the world that we are better than they are. God help us, if these people carry the day.


I can understand Obama going to Iraq, Afghanistan, even Israel.

The banners at the Temple Mount were a huge blunder that the Obama leaning press appears to be giving him a complete pass on. (Mission Accomplished, sound familiar? yet another Bush comparision)

The speech in Germany? Is a speech that he should have waited to give after being elected. It is a bit arrogant and presumptive, and may well put off many voters.

Reagan was popular and well received in Germany. He waited until he was President to give his speech as did Kennedy. Can you think of one other candidate (or presumptive candidate) that has given a similar speech in a similar setting?

The German trip should have involved meeting with head of state and a non photo op visit to the wounded troops.



Obama scraps visit to wounded troops
Jul 24 04:09 PM US/Eastern

BERLIN (AP) - Sen. Barack Obama scrapped plans to visit wounded members of the armed forces in Germany as part of his overseas trip, a decision his spokesman said was made because the Democratic presidential candidate thought it would be inappropriate on a campaign-funded journey.

Obama's decision raised a number of questions because the visit, which had been scheduled for Friday, never appeared on the schedule of events distributed to reporters who are accompanying him on his travels.

Obama had been planning to go to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany before a flight to Paris. Gibbs said the stop was canceled because Obama decided "it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign."
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Obama went to and intentionally used the Holy Lands, the Temple Mount, for photo opportunities for his campaign.



Was it savvy political judgment?

I think it was poor taste.

Canceled a trip to wounded troops in Germany, not a good a photo op ?
Come on, from your 100 year experience of politics or so you really now blame Obama for taking such an opportunity to get some nice photos?
Yeah, he stands for change, but that doesn't mean he will do a total 180 of what every regular politician would have done.
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