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Old 07-18-2008, 07:51 PM   #721
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What do you mean by this? That smaller states don't get campaigned hard?

I actually see where this could be an advantage, it could actually lead to a more informed vote rather than just this commercial vs that commercial.

Absolutely the smaller states would be ignored. Under this system, the swing states are not always the same. It moves. If you want cities to dominate elections, then by all means. I do not believe that a city demographic is going to be representative of the needs of the country as a whole.

My 2 cents....
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In an interview with the Kansas City Star, John McCain says Barack Obama was labeled as having the "most extreme" record in the Senate.

"Extreme? You really think hes an extremist? I mean, he's clearly a liberal," interviewer Dave Helling asks.

"That's his voting record," McCain responds. "All I said was his voting record, and that is more to the left than the announced Socialist in the United States Senate, Bernie Sanders of Vermont."

"Do you think he's a socialist, Barack Obama?" Helling asks.

McCain responds with a with a shrug, "I don't know."


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If Obama is a Socialist, we are all hopeless Communists.
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no, i smell McCain's, and Bush's, desperation. they want to remove Iraq as an issue.

"we've won. troops are coming home. no need to discuss anything."

McCain and Bush want to move more troops to Afghanistan -- just like Obama's been saying.

we've recently learned that the White House sent a top diplomat to directly negotiate with the Iranians over nuclear power -- just like Obama's been saying he will.

and, clearly, McBush has moved closer to Obama's position on withdrawing troops from Iraq -- today, we now have a "time horizon" from the White House with claims of "victory!" from McCain.
It's just like when Bush bombed Libya and North Korea to get them to shut down their weapons programs...
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An excellent article by Krauthammer in the Washington Post. I think it's dead on.


The Audacity of Vanity

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, July 18, 2008; Page A17

Barack Obama wants to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. He figures it would be a nice backdrop. The supporting cast -- a cheering audience and a few fainting frauleins -- would be a picturesque way to bolster his foreign policy credentials.

What Obama does not seem to understand is that the Brandenburg Gate is something you earn. President Ronald Reagan earned the right to speak there because his relentless pressure had brought the Soviet empire to its knees and he was demanding its final "tear down this wall" liquidation. When President John F. Kennedy visited the Brandenburg Gate on the day of his "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech, he was representing a country that was prepared to go to the brink of nuclear war to defend West Berlin.

Who is Obama representing? And what exactly has he done in his lifetime to merit appropriating the Brandenburg Gate as a campaign prop? What was his role in the fight against communism, the liberation of Eastern Europe, the creation of what George Bush the elder -- who presided over the fall of the Berlin Wall but modestly declined to go there for a victory lap -- called "a Europe whole and free"?

Does Obama not see the incongruity? It's as if a German pol took a campaign trip to America and demanded the Statue of Liberty as a venue for a campaign speech. (The Germans have now gently nudged Obama into looking at other venues.)


Americans are beginning to notice Obama's elevated opinion of himself. There's nothing new about narcissism in politics. Every senator looks in the mirror and sees a president. Nonetheless, has there ever been a presidential nominee with a wider gap between his estimation of himself and the sum total of his lifetime achievements?

Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted "present" nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.

It is a subject upon which he can dilate effortlessly. In his victory speech upon winning the nomination, Obama declared it a great turning point in history -- "generations from now we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment" -- when, among other wonders, "the rise of the oceans began to slow." As Hudson Institute economist Irwin Stelzer noted in his London Daily Telegraph column, "Moses made the waters recede, but he had help." Obama apparently works alone.

Obama may think he's King Canute, but the good king ordered the tides to halt precisely to refute sycophantic aides who suggested that he had such power. Obama has no such modesty.

After all, in the words of his own slogan, "we are the ones we've been waiting for," which, translating the royal "we," means: " I am the one we've been waiting for." Amazingly, he had a quasi-presidential seal with its own Latin inscription affixed to his lectern, until general ridicule -- it was pointed out that he was not yet president -- induced him to take it down.

He lectures us that instead of worrying about immigrants learning English, "you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish" -- a language Obama does not speak. He further admonishes us on how "embarrassing" it is that Europeans are multilingual but "we go over to Europe, and all we can say is 'merci beaucoup.' " Obama speaks no French.

His fluent English does, however, feature many such admonitions, instructions and improvements. His wife assures us that President Obama will be a stern taskmaster: "Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism . . . that you come out of your isolation. . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."

For the first few months of the campaign, the question about Obama was: Who is he? The question now is: Who does he think he is?

We are getting to know. Redeemer of our uninvolved, uninformed lives. Lord of the seas. And more. As he said on victory night, his rise marks the moment when "our planet began to heal." As I recall -- I'm no expert on this -- Jesus practiced his healing just on the sick. Obama operates on a larger canvas.



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Is Obama pro-slavery?
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There's a weird irony at work when Sen. Barack Obama, the black presidential candidate who will allegedly scrub the stain of racism from the nation, vows to run afoul of the constitutional amendment that abolished slavery.

For those who don't remember, the 13th Amendment says: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime ... shall exist within the United States."

I guess in Obama's mind it must be a crime to be born or to go to college.

In his speech on national service Wednesday at the University of Colorado, Obama promised that as president he would "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year."

He would see that these goals are met by, among other things, attaching strings to federal education dollars. If you don't make the kids report for duty, he's essentially telling schools and college kids, you'll lose money you can't afford to lose. In short, he'll make service compulsory by merely compelling schools to make it compulsory.

It's funny that, when the right seeks to use the government to impose its values, the left screams about brainwashing and propaganda. When the left tries it, the right thunders about social engineering. But when left and right agree -- as seems to be the case on national service -- who's left to complain? As ever, the slipperiest slopes are greased with the snake oil of "bipartisanship."

After all, Obama's hardly alone. Sen. John McCain is a passionate supporter of Washington-led (and paid-for) "volunteerism," as is President Bush. Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) and John Edwards both campaigned for the presidency on compulsory national service.

Perhaps thanks to the JFK cult, which sees the refrain "Ask not what your country can do for you ..." as an all-purpose writ for social meddling, even the idealistic hipster crowd is on board. Devotees of Rolling Stone and MTV, who normally preen like cats in a pool of sunshine over their alleged libertarianism when the issue is sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, see nothing wrong, and everything right, with involuntary servitude -- as long as we just call it "voluntary."

Volunteerism is good. But why does every good thing need to be orchestrated by government? Most people think that churchgoing is a good thing. Does that mean the government should fund churches? That's what they do in Europe and -- surprise! -- most pews sit empty.

Americans are vastly more generous with their time and their money than Europeans. According to social demographer Arthur C. Brooks, in 1995 (the last year international comparative data on giving was available), Americans gave 3 1/2 times as much money to charities and causes as the French, seven times more than the Germans and 14 times more than the Italians.

In 1998, Americans also volunteered 21% more than the Swiss and 32% more than Germans -- two countries with compulsory national service. And yet we're continually told we should emulate them so that America too can have a "culture of service."

But we already have a healthier culture of service without -- as Obama would do -- doubling the size of the Peace Corps or pushing another 250,000 into AmeriCorps.

Indeed, there's ample evidence that countries with intrusive and expensive welfare states stifle their citizens' spirit of charity and volunteerism precisely because people conclude that every problem should be solved by government. Merely paying your taxes substitutes for charity, and cleaning up roadside litter for two years absolves you from doing anything more.

Time magazine's Richard Stengel speaks for many who insist that American government must consecrate everything. "The reason private volunteerism is so high is precisely that confidence in our public institutions is so low," he wrote last year in praise of universal national service. "People see volunteering not as a form of public service but as an antidote for it."

Really? I would have thought that the world's most charitable and voluntaristic nation -- one with a tradition of service that predates the decline of confidence in public institutions by generations -- might see volunteering as a good in and of itself.

This is the real problem with national service mania: It seeks to fix what ain't broke. No, national service isn't slavery. But it contributes to a slave mentality, at odds with American tradition. It assumes that work not done for the government isn't really for the "common good."

"The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society," Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously observed. "The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself."

Moynihan was right, of course. But politics can change a culture for the worse too. Indoctrinating an entire generation with the idea that public service is something you do at the government's behest would not only steamroll the culture, it would help fewer people in the process.
Obama and volunteering: Forced servitude in America? - Los Angeles Times

It's from Jonah Goldberg (author of Liberal Fascism etc.) so you know it's fair and balanced
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So long, Mr. Magoo



I won't miss him.

I don't care about the "nation of whiners" statement
as much as I care about his entanglement with Enron
and all that bad deregulation / corruption and that goes for his wife, too
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Barack Obama wants to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. He figures it would be a nice backdrop. The supporting cast -- a cheering audience and a few fainting frauleins -- would be a picturesque way to bolster his foreign policy credentials.

What Obama does not seem to understand is that the Brandenburg Gate is something you earn. President Ronald Reagan earned the right to speak there because his relentless pressure had brought the Soviet empire to its knees and he was demanding its final "tear down this wall" liquidation. When President John F. Kennedy visited the Brandenburg Gate on the day of his "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech, he was representing a country that was prepared to go to the brink of nuclear war to defend West Berlin.

Who is Obama representing? And what exactly has he done in his lifetime to merit appropriating the Brandenburg Gate as a campaign prop? What was his role in the fight against communism, the liberation of Eastern Europe, the creation of what George Bush the elder -- who presided over the fall of the Berlin Wall but modestly declined to go there for a victory lap -- called "a Europe whole and free"?

Does Obama not see the incongruity? It's as if a German pol took a campaign trip to America and demanded the Statue of Liberty as a venue for a campaign speech. (The Germans have now gently nudged Obama into looking at other venues.)

Bah, this is such a ridiculous story and really embarrassing to be honest. And it's such nonsense that you have to "earn it" to speak in front of the Brandenburg Gate. It's right, his campaign made a mistake in announcing the plan to speak there before asking if it would be ok to do so, but at first no one cared. Then, suddenly, Merkel thought it necessary to oppose those plans and make this weird reference to the historic symbolism of the place. In fact, they are just afraid it would look like some kind of support of the Democrats and as long as nothing is decided, i.e. as long as the election hasn't been held, they want to appear as neutral as possible.
Most Germans don't give a damn that Obama wants to speak at the "Pariser Platz" (in fact, I think it would be great. He would see the new American embassy and could apologize for it right away. ).
I really would like to see him speak and I think many would be interested. For so many people the Brandenburg Gate would be perfect as it probably is the largest place to take so many people.
I'm so terribly sorry, but we are neither rendering hommage to Kennedy, nor to Reagan, nor to H.W. Bush every time we pass the Brandenburg Gate (I also don't fall on my knees when I go past the Schoeneberg Rathaus where Kennedy finally held his speech), and this place, in my progressive mind, isn't in some way holy or however one wants to call it. I would even tolerate W. Bush or McCain to hold a speech there, but that's just me.
Some people really like to interpret things into everything.

Oh, this place has such a historical meaning! Come on, whole fucking Berlin has a historical meaning!

Thank you.

Just read, he will now hold his speech in front of the triumphal column. I know where I will spend my Thursday.
Can't wait what weird interpretations now will come up. Will he turn into a Nazi supporter?
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Bah, this is such a ridiculous story and really embarrassing to be honest. And it's such nonsense that you have to "earn it" to speak in front of the Brandenburg Gate. It's right, his campaign made a mistake in announcing the plan to speak there before asking if it would be ok to do so, but at first no one cared. Then, suddenly, Merkel thought it necessary to oppose those plans and make this weird reference to the historic symbolism of the place. In fact, they are just afraid it would look like some kind of support of the Democrats and as long as nothing is decided, i.e. as long as the election hasn't been held, they want to appear as neutral as possible.
Most Germans don't give a damn that Obama wants to speak at the "Pariser Platz" (in fact, I think it would be great. He would see the new American embassy and could apologize for it right away. ).
I really would like to see him speak and I think many would be interested. For so many people the Brandenburg Gate would be perfect as it probably is the largest place to take so many people.
I'm so terribly sorry, but we are neither rendering hommage to Kennedy, nor to Reagan, nor to H.W. Bush every time we pass the Brandenburg Gate (I also don't fall on my knees when I go past the Schoeneberg Rathaus where Kennedy finally held his speech), and this place, in my progressive mind, isn't in some way holy or however one wants to call it. I would even tolerate W. Bush or McCain to hold a speech there, but that's just me.
Some people really like to interpret things into everything.

Oh, this place has such a historical meaning! Come on, whole fucking Berlin has a historical meaning!

Thank you.

Just read, he will now hold his speech in front of the triumphal column. I know where I will spend my Thursday.
Can't wait what weird interpretations now will come up. Will he turn into a Nazi supporter?

To quote Ronald Reagan:

"There you go again. . ."

Making sense yet AGAIN! What is with you, Vega!
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All I need to do is read the opening lines of these articles and I already know they're going to be crap:

"Barack Obama wants to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. He figures it would be a nice backdrop. The supporting cast -- a cheering audience and a few fainting frauleins -- would be a picturesque way to bolster his foreign policy credentials."

"There's a weird irony at work when Sen. Barack Obama, the black presidential candidate who will allegedly scrub the stain of racism from the nation, vows to run afoul of the constitutional amendment that abolished slavery."

And these op-ed pieces (for they can certainly be nothing more) are supposed to provide me with CREDIBLE reasons not to vote for Obama? You gotta be kidding me. "fainting frauleins". . .Obama wants to bring back slavery. . .WTF?

I'm sure there are lots of credible reasons not to vote for Obama (Heck, I consider deep's big objection--his lack of experience--to be at least reasonable and worthy of debate) but these are not among them.

If you want to critique Obama's candidacy at least bring something sensible to the table. . .geez.
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'As Soon as Possible': Iraq Leader Maliki Supports Obama's Withdrawal Plans - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

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This is priceless !!!!


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Posted: 02:40 PM ET

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CRAWFORD, TX (CNN) – An embarrassing slip up for the White House press office Saturday, when an aide hit the wrong button and mistakenly sent to the news media a Reuters article saying Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki backs presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's troop withdrawal plan.

White House spokesman Scott Stanzel says, "It was a mistake. Clips list for staff was supposed to be the addressee."

The Obama campaign quickly took advantage of the mistake, forwarding an ABC report detailing the incident to its press list.

This is not the first time the White House has emailed in error. But its timing is particularly embarrassing as the Bush administration's recent agreement with al-Maliki on a "general time horizon" for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq is being cited by some as resembling Obama's proposal that U.S. forces should leave within 16 months.
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Oh, this place has such a historical meaning! Come on, whole fucking Berlin has a historical meaning!

Can I just say this is probably the funniest/most awesome thing I have ever read in FYM?


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