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Old 07-16-2008, 10:28 AM   #661
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Everyone's younger than McCain

I've heard them and I'm much younger than him too, not by as much as you are unfortunately. Have read them on message boards too, even on Int. I consider that to be open company. Some people seem to think a message board is different somehow and open season in some strange way. Of course they would never do such a thing in "real life"- yeah that's it.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:41 PM   #662
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this is the worst

hearsay from over twenty years ago.

people that don't like McCain, now say he told a joke

the fact that this gets added into our conversation
and that people actually think it deserves any attention
is dumbing down this whole process
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I have to agree with deep on this one...there doesn't seem to be much credibility to it.
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Old 07-16-2008, 04:00 PM   #664
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I'm more concerned about stuff like this:

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For the second time in two days, John McCain has referred to current events in "Czechoslovakia" – a country that officially ceased to exist in January of 1993.
He also repeatedly confused the Sunnis and Shi'ites in a short time span. You have to wonder about his memory/cognitive skills.
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I'm more concerned about stuff like this:



He also repeatedly confused the Sunnis and Shi'ites in a short time span. You have to wonder about his memory/cognitive skills.

Or if he has gotten away with appearing more knowledgable than he really is
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Or if he has gotten away with appearing more knowledgable than he really is


John McCain knows how to win wars.

the "surge" that has been so successful in Iraq must be applied in Iran, and we will withdraw those from Iraq in order to likewise "win" in Afghanistan.

wait, Obama wants to withdraw and focus on Afghanistan? he's been saying this for years?

erm, wait, we need to staff our 100 year occupation, so we'll get the troops from NATO.

yeah. that's it. we had to go into Iraq and fuck around for 6 years before we figured out how to win in Afghanistan.

see?

John McCain knows how to win wars.

that's all that matters here.
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I'm sorry, which war has he actually won?
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I think it was Vietnam... until the Democrats and their leader back then, Jane Fonda, single-handedly defeated the US... or something like that.
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I'm sorry, which war has he actually won?



appeaser!
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:38 PM   #670
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this is the worst

hearsay from over twenty years ago.

people that don't like McCain, now say he told a joke

the fact that this gets added into our conversation
and that people actually think it deserves any attention
is dumbing down this whole process

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I'm more concerned about stuff like this:



He also repeatedly confused the Sunnis and Shi'ites in a short time span. You have to wonder about his memory/cognitive skills.
Totally, like when he had an old person moment and forgot how many states there were, he's obviously senile.
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Found the video

YouTube - Obama's Foreign Policy Ace Sam Nunn: Czechoslovakia Exists!

LOL
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Totally, like when he had an old person moment and forgot how many states there were, he's obviously senile.
Oh for sure, day after day after day after day....what was it, 4 times with Lieberman whispering "50" in his ear?
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This is false. His speech, the one your previous posted article responded to, says he would take into consideration conditions on the ground. Now that you're using a demonstrably false talking point, care to respond without talking about a lack of prerequisites or conditions?
Barack Obama has consistently stated on his website, in the foreign affairs article that he would "immediately begin withdrawing troops from Iraq" without listing any prerequisites for that withdrawal to begin such as security levels on the ground or the capabilities of Iraqi forces. Barack Obama has never stated that he is willing to stay in Iraq until Iraq has developed sufficient military capabilities to replace any US troops that are withdrawn. Barack Obama's strategy is to get out of Iraq period, not stay in Iraq to first insure that it can stand on its own and then leave. I have consistently stated that the United States must first help secure Iraq and develop its security forces to a level that they can replace US forces on the ground before those forces can start withdrawing. That has been the Bush strategy all along. To qoute Bush, "As they stand up, we'll stand down". That line got mocked a lot in here and I don't see where Obama has ever suggested his strategy is in line with that.

But, if you can show me where Obama has specifically made any US withdrawal conditional on the security situation in Iraq, and the capability of the Iraqi forces, please post it here. If it exist, which I'm sure it doesn't, it would only mean that his strategy for Iraq is in line with the strategy that Bush has had for the past 5 years.

Oh, and saying that you would suspend the withdrawal if Iraq achieves all of the political benchmarks is definitely not the same as having a prerequisite to starting a withdrawal or having a plan that starts withdrawing US combat brigades only when there are Iraqi forces capable enough to replace withdrawn US Brigades.
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Obama has been stressing, for years, that more troops were needed in Afghanistan. McCain is following.

where is he going to get the troops from? the "victory" in Iraq? i guess we won't get all that freed up capital to balance the budget by the end of his first term then, huh.
No, Obama has been stressing for years that we can immediately start leaving Iraq irregardless of conditions on the ground there, after which some troops could go to Afghanistan.

McCain is for sending troops to Afghanistan, but not at the expense of reversing progress that has been made in Iraq.
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