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Old 07-07-2008, 09:01 PM   #451
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I guess everyone is on board with merit pay for teachers?
OK - I will respond.....

I do not believe this will help education.
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OK - I will respond.....

I do not believe this will help education.


i agree.

i think it will help teachers help students to cheat.

at least in the way that we currently understand "merit pay" which, as i understand, is linked to test scores.
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Rasmussen Reports: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.

Congressional Approval Falls to Single Digits for First Time Ever

The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category.

Last month, 11% of voters gave the legislature good or excellent ratings. Congress has not received higher than a 15% approval rating since the beginning of 2008.

The percentage of Democrats who give Congress positive ratings fell from 17% last month to 13% this month. The number of Democrats who give Congress a poor rating remained unchanged. Among Republicans, 8% give Congress good or excellent ratings, up just a point from last month. Sixty-five percent (65%) of GOP voters say Congress is doing a poor job, down a single point from last month.

Voters not affiliated with either party are the most critical of Congressional performance. Just 3% of those voters give Congress positive ratings, down from 6% last month. Sixty-three percent (63%) believe Congress is doing a poor job, up from 57% last month.

Just 12% of voters think Congress has passed any legislation to improve life in this country over the past six months. That number has ranged from 11% to 13% throughout 2008. The majority of voters (62%) say Congress has not passed any legislation to improve life in America.

Voters hold little positive sentiment about the future. Just 41% find it at least somewhat likely that Congress will address important problems facing our nation in the near future, while 55% find this unlikely.

Despite these negative attitudes towards Congress, Democrats continue to enjoy a double digit lead on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

Most voters (72%) think most members of Congress are more interested in furthering their own political careers. Just 14% believe members are genuinely interested in helping people.

A separate Rasmussen survey found that half of all voters believe America’s best days are in the past. However, another survey found that 64% of voters also believe that the world would be a better place if more countries were similar to the United States.
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^ this is an excellent measure of how the public feels about the general direction of the country, and less a measure of how they feel about their specific Congressional or Senatorial representative.
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that is one way to spin it

the American people are not stoopid



I expect the Democrats, who are in control of the Congress
will be repudiated on election day

there will be significant GOP gains, in the November election
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that is one way to spin it

the American people are not stoopid

and yet, every analyst and pundit alive will tell you precisely what i just told you.



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I expect the Democrats, who are in control of the Congress
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there will be significant GOP gains, in the November election



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I think you were talkin to me.

So yeah, with 56+ maybe even 59 0r 60 Democrats
I am taking a leap of faith

that they will grow a pair

will they be able to scrap up one more testes ?
(we know Hillary has one, I read it on Drudge Report).
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There may or may not be a timetable, and I'm sure that if there is one, it will be conditional on progress continuing and obviously the Iraqi government could rescind the whole thing at any time if they felt they needed coalition support longer.


it seems Maliki wants one ...

[q]Iraq raises idea of timetable for US withdrawal

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA and SEBASTIAN ABBOT – 16 hours ago

BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq's prime minister said Monday his country wants some type of timetable for a withdrawal of American troops included in the deal the two countries are negotiating.

It was the first time that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has explicitly and publicly called for a withdrawal timetable — an idea opposed by President Bush.

He offered no details. But his national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, told The Associated Press that the government is proposing a timetable conditioned on the ability of Iraqi forces to provide security.

The White House said it did not believe al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals.

"Any agreement would not have any hard timetables for withdrawal, but could include the desire by the U.S. and Iraq to withdraw troops based on conditions on the ground," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

"I know that Prime Minister al-Maliki has said that he doesn't want a precipitous withdrawal because of the security consequences," Johndroe said in Toyako, Japan, where President Bush is attending the G-8 summit.

Al-Maliki said in a meeting with Arab diplomats in Abu Dhabi that his country also has proposed a short-term interim memorandum of agreement rather than the more formal status of forces agreement the two sides have been negotiating.

The memorandum "now on the table" includes a formula for the withdrawal of U.S. troops, he said.

"The goal is to end the presence (of foreign troops)," al-Maliki said.[/q]
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it seems Maliki wants one ...
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The Iraqi proposal stipulates that, once Iraqi forces have resumed security responsibility in all 18 of Iraq's provinces, U.S.-led forces would then withdraw from all cities in the country.

After that, the country's security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said.


So far, the United States has handed control of nine of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

This is what they want, not some rapid unconditional withdrawal in 12 months that does not first insure the security and the stability of the country.
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Iraq presses US on timeline for troop pullout - Yahoo! News

This is what they want, not some rapid unconditional withdrawal in 12 months that does not first insure the security and the stability of the country.

It might not be 12 months.

But, I expect it to include a hard date of no more than 36 - 48 months.

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By SALLY BUZBEE, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 53 minutes ago

BAGHDAD - Iraq's national security adviser said Tuesday his country will not accept any security deal with the United States unless it contains specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.


The comments by Mouwaffak al-Rubaie were the strongest yet by an Iraqi official about the deal now under negotiation with U.S. officials. They came a day after Iraq's prime minister first said publicly that he expects the pending troop deal with the United States to have some type of timetable for withdrawal.

I deal with timetables, all the time.

Timetables do have "ranges". They also have end dates.

The "timetable" just allows some flex for a "short date" that many prefer.

And an "extended date" that others are more comfortable with.
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This is what they want, not some rapid unconditional withdrawal in 12 months that does not first insure the security and the stability of the country.


no one wants this. why do you keep pretending that someone does?
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no one wants this. why do you keep pretending that someone does?

Barack Obama and many of his fellow Democrats pressed for the start of an immediate withdrawal throughout 2007 attempting to attach amendments to spending bills that would have required the United States military to start immediately withdrawing without any prerequisites to be met first for the security and stability of the country. Barack Obama repeatedly stated that he wanted ALL US combat brigades to be withdrawn from Iraq by March 31, 2008. Its in the Foreign Affairs article that was linked a few pages back and its brought up in the spending bills as well. This all on record as is the majority of posters in the forum opposing both the surge and supporting withdrawal without first having as a prerequisite the security and stability of Iraq. Democrats like Murtha had even faster withdrawal timetables of 6 months with NO prerequisites to be met first before the withdrawal would begin.
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It might not be 12 months.

But, I expect it to include a hard date of no more than 36 - 48 months.




I deal with timetables, all the time.

Timetables do have "ranges". They also have end dates.

The "timetable" just allows some flex for a "short date" that many prefer.

And an "extended date" that others are more comfortable with.
1st, the Iraqi's have stated that ONLY after the Iraqi military has successfully taken over security for all 18 provinces in Iraq do they want to see any change in US force posture in the country. When that finally happens, which may not be until 2010, then US forces would pull back from any cities they were still in, but would remain in the country for at least the next 3 to 5 years with the situation to be reviewed every 6 months. So your looking at a date beyond 2015 which could be altered at any time.

The same Iraqi national security advisor has also stated this year that he projects Iraq will need foreign troops until 2012 for internal security, and foreign troops to help defend the country's borders until 2018.

What the Iraqi government, Bush administration, McCain, and the US military do not want, is a the withdrawal of any coalition forces from any part of Iraq BEFORE insuring that any area they withdraw from is first secure and stable and that the services provided by the US combat brigade can be provided by Iraqi security forces or the Iraqi government.

Thats in stark contrast to Democrats who spent most of 2007 attempting to force the President to start immediately withdrawing troops without having any prerequisites first for the country's security and the capability of Iraqi forces. Where would Iraq be today if as Democrats wanted, the surge had not happened and all US combat brigades were pulled out by March 31, 2008?
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that is one way to spin it

the American people are not stoopid

I expect the Democrats, who are in control of the Congress
will be repudiated on election day

there will be significant GOP gains, in the November election
This blog post links to a Fox News poll showing that more Republicans approve of the Democratic-controlled Congress then Democrats do. Democrats in Congress have not fulfilled their 2006 promises to start ending the Iraq War or punish those responsible for the warrantless spying, or seriously pursing the unlawful excesses of the Bush Administration. This Congress is unpopular because they haven't done their mandate, not that they did it and people didn't like it. Otherwise we'd see solid Dem support against everyone else hating...much like Bush still is with Republicans.
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Barack Obama and many of his fellow Democrats pressed for the start of an immediate withdrawal throughout 2007 attempting to attach amendments to spending bills that would have required the United States military to start immediately withdrawing without any prerequisites to be met first for the security and stability of the country. Barack Obama repeatedly stated that he wanted ALL US combat brigades to be withdrawn from Iraq by March 31, 2008. Its in the Foreign Affairs article that was linked a few pages back and its brought up in the spending bills as well. This all on record as is the majority of posters in the forum opposing both the surge and supporting withdrawal without first having as a prerequisite the security and stability of Iraq. Democrats like Murtha had even faster withdrawal timetables of 6 months with NO prerequisites to be met first before the withdrawal would begin.


do we really need to rehash the past few pages of this thread?

have you read a single post other than your own?
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do we really need to rehash the past few pages of this thread?

have you read a single post other than your own?
I wonder how many ways he can say the same thing.

Strongbow! I object to your positions, yet am intrigued. Tell me more.
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