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Old 07-07-2008, 06:11 AM   #436
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So you consider the current US troop deployment to Germany to be a US military occupation of that country equilavent to the current situation in Iraq?
Judging by your new embassy here: Yes.
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Old 07-07-2008, 07:39 AM   #437
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I guess everyone is on board with merit pay for teachers?
I must have missed the post you made, deep. What about merit pay?
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Obama to accept before 75,000+
By: Mike Allen
July 7, 2008 10:48 AM EST

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) will leave the hall of the Democratic National Convention in Denver and deliver a rock-star-style acceptance speech at nearby Invesco Field at Mile High, quadrupling his live audience, the party announced Monday.

The speech, in the stadium that is home of the Denver Broncos, will be on the fourth and final night of the convention, Aug. 28.

Adding to the historic resonance of the first nomination of an African-American for president, that date is the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream Speech.”

The move means additional expense for the television networks, where executives are having a conference call Monday to discuss the logistics of moving their cameras and anchors to the new location after months of planning for a finale in the smaller Pepsi Center, where the rest of the convention will be held.

The convention hall has a capacity of 19,000, compared to more than 76,000 at Invesco.

In 2004, there were rumors about the Republicans moving their final night out of Madison Square Garden to Yankee Stadium, but it didn’t happen.

There’s precedent for the Obama move. In 1960, John F. Kennedy accepted his nomination at Memorial Coliseum, next to the Democratic National Convention in the Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena.

Matt Burns, communications director of the Republican National Convention, responded: "Not surprisingly, Senator Obama and his fellow Democrats are more focused on stagecraft and theatrics than providing real solutions to the challenges facing our nation. A change of venue for a political speech isn’t the kind of change the American people deserve or expect."


Here’s the Democrats’ release:

Breaking the mold of traditional political Conventions, the Democratic National Convention Committee (DNCC) today announced that Senator Barack Obama will accept the Democratic nomination for President of the United States at Denver's INVESCO Field at Mile High. INVESCO Field can accommodate more than 75,000 people and will be the site of the 2008 Democratic Convention's final day of programming on Thursday, August 28, 2008.

"The Democratic Party is nominating a true change candidate this August, and it is only fitting that we make some big changes in how we put on the Convention," said Governor Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC). "Senator Obama's candidacy has generated an enormous amount of excitement and interest, not only in the Democratic Party but also in the 2008 Convention. By bringing the last night of the Convention out to the people, we will be able to showcase Barack Obama's positive, people-centered vision for our country in a big way."

"Barack Obama's campaign for change has inspired millions of Americans and brought people into the political process who might never have been involved," said Convention Co-Chair Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius. "This change in the Convention program will allow thousands of first-time participants a chance to take part. I can't think of a better Convention finale for our nominee who has made reaching out to voters a hallmark of his campaign."

"When we said we wanted to 'bring down the walls,' open up this Convention like never before and truly speak to the American people, we meant it," said Leah D. Daughtry, CEO of the DNCC. "On August 28, we will offer grassroots Democrats, who have turned out in record numbers this year, the opportunity to witness history shoulder to shoulder with thousands of Americans standing up for the change our country desperately needs."

"Senator Obama and the DNCC have truly brought the community into the Convention," said Colorado Governor Bill Ritter, Jr. "This decision will enable thousands of residents from Colorado, the Rocky Mountain West and across the nation to witness history first hand. What a way to fire up our grassroots activists as we head into the fall campaign."

Primetime Convention activities Monday, August 25 through Wednesday, August 27 will continue to be held at the Pepsi Center. The final day of the Convention on Thursday, August 28, including the nomination acceptance speech of Senator Barack Obama, will be held at INVESCO Field at Mile High, also located in downtown Denver. Daytime Convention events, including meetings of the Democratic caucuses and councils will continue to be held at the Colorado Convention Center.

The DNCC announced today that a special block of "Community" credentials will be reserved for Colorado residents for Thursday night's program at INVESCO Field. Details about how to sign up and receive a "Community Credential" for the last night of the Convention will be released in the coming weeks.

"This is the type of Convention people will want to experience together with family, friends and neighbors, and we hope this move enables thousands of Americans to come together, experience history and put Senator Obama on the path to victory in November," Daughtry added.
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/\ i think I posted about that twice

now, it is official?


and we now have this

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Mon Jul 7, 2008 12:45pm EDT

By Dean Yates and Ahmed Rasheed

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki raised the prospect on Monday of setting a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops as part of negotiations over a new security agreement with Washington.

It was the first time the U.S.-backed Shi'ite-led government has floated the idea of a timetable for the removal of American forces from Iraq. The Bush administration has always opposed such a move, saying it would give militant groups an advantage.

The security deal under negotiation will replace a U.N. mandate for the presence of U.S. troops that expires on December 31.

"Today, we are looking at the necessity of terminating the foreign presence on Iraqi lands and restoring full sovereignty," Maliki told Arab ambassadors in blunt remarks during an official visit to Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates.

"One of the two basic topics is either to have a memorandum of understanding for the departure of forces or a memorandum of understanding to set a timetable for the presence of the forces, so that we know (their presence) will end in a specific time."

Maliki was responding to questions from the ambassadors about the security negotiations with the United States. The exchange was shown on Iraqiya state television.

U.S. officials in Baghdad had no immediate comment. Last month Maliki caught Washington off guard when he said talks on the security deal were at a "dead end" after he complained Iraq's sovereignty was being infringed by U.S. demands.
this is very interesting.

It could be 48 months.

a nice compromise between Obama - March 08 ? or 16 months ?

and

McCain - 100 years?
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I must have missed the post you made, deep. What about merit pay?
This is the article he quoted from.
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this is very interesting.

It could be 48 months.

a nice compromise between Obama - March 08 ? or 16 months ?

and

McCain - 100 years?
I caught that story on NPR on the way home. I'm quite interested to see how the Bush administration responds to this.
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I caught that story on NPR on the way home. I'm quite interested to see how the Bush administration responds to this.
I imagine, a huge "sigh of relief'.
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That's what one might expect, but I have my doubts.
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/\ i think I posted about that twice

now, it is official?


and we now have this



this is very interesting.

It could be 48 months.

a nice compromise between Obama - March 08 ? or 16 months ?

and

McCain - 100 years?

McCain does not have a specific time for the withdrawal of US forces, he only has a prerequisite, that being that Iraq has developed and stabilized enough that it can handle its own internal security situation.
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I caught that story on NPR on the way home. I'm quite interested to see how the Bush administration responds to this.
There may or may not be a timetable, and I'm sure that if there is one, it will be conditional on progress continuing and obviously the Iraqi government could rescind the whole thing at any time if they felt they needed coalition support longer.

This will probably be something that the next administration will be working on rather than the Bush administration.

Things continue to improve in Iraq, and a lot of people including the Maliki government are making some very confident predictions which may just be a little premature at this point.
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McCain does not have a specific time for the withdrawal of US forces, he only has a prerequisite, that being that Iraq has developed and stabilized enough that it can handle its own internal security situation.


This conversation began because it may not be up to the Bush Admin., the McCain Admin or the Obama Admin as to when American troops leave

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki raised the prospect on Monday of setting a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops as part of negotiations over a new security agreement with Washington.

It was the first time the U.S.-backed Shi'ite-led government has floated the idea of a timetable for the removal of American forces from Iraq. The Bush administration has always opposed such a move, saying it would give militant groups an advantage.

The security deal under negotiation will replace a U.N. mandate for the presence of U.S. troops that expires on December 31.

"Today, we are looking at the necessity of terminating the foreign presence on Iraqi lands and restoring full sovereignty," Maliki told Arab ambassadors in blunt remarks during an official visit to Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates.

"One of the two basic topics is either to have a memorandum of understanding for the departure of forces or a memorandum of understanding to set a timetable for the presence of the forces, so that we know (their presence) will end in a specific time."
If the Iraqi Government sets a date, how can we stay?
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If the Iraqi Government sets a date, how can we stay?
Kinda like the same way you showed up when they didn't want you to?
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Kinda like the same way you showed up when they didn't want you to?
Gangster regime, elected government, whatever.
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If the Iraqi Government sets a date, how can we stay?

I never in anyway stated that the United States would. But its far from clear yet if the Iraqi government is going to have any sort of timetable, and even if they do, its going to be something that they can quickly rescind if they feel they need the presence of US and coalition forces for a longer period of time. If the rate of progress continues or gets even faster, thats great, but this security agreement is going to be a lot more complex and cover a lot more issues than simply a date for withdrawal. The Maliki government is feeling very confident these days, but they certainly still want to be able to rely on their biggest supporter if they run into some setbacks down the road.
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Kinda like the same way you showed up when they didn't want you to?
Well, they as in Saddam's regime no longer exist. Of course, there seems to be a lot of people outside Iraq who still wish he was there.
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