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Old 06-25-2008, 10:30 AM   #271
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There's an interesting article I found on HuffPo this morning that makes the case that Dobson's comments might actually help Obama win Evangelicals. I'll post the link in case anyone wants to take a look.

Frank Schaeffer: Dr. Dobson Has Just Handed Obama Victory - Politics on The Huffington Post
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:41 PM   #272
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When looking at polls, you need to go with the polling company that has been doing this thing the longest and was closest in predicting the 2004 election results:

Gallup Daily: Obama Holds Slight Edge, 46% vs. 43%

Unless McCain falls behind 12 to 15 points in their poll, its unlikely to happen on election day. Historically, the polls tighten as you get closer to election day, and the most accurate poll is already essentially a tie when it comes to this race.
Voter turnout for the November polling is likely to be unprecedented. Voter demographics will also be very different. During the primary season, polls and prognostications were markedly unreliable. I see no reason to believe that this trend will not continue during the general election.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:27 PM   #273
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Obama disagrees with high court on child rape case

By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer

Democrat Barack Obama said Wednesday he disagrees with the Supreme Court's decision outlawing executions of child rapists.

"I have said repeatedly that I think that the death penalty should be applied in very narrow circumstances for the most egregious of crimes," Obama said at a news conference. "I think that the rape of a small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime and if a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances the death penalty is at least potentially applicable that that does not violate our Constitution."

The court's 5-4 decision Wednesday struck down a Louisiana law that allows capital punishment for people convicted of raping children under 12, saying it violates the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

The ruling spares the only people in the U.S. under sentence of death for that crime — two Louisiana men convicted of raping girls 5 and 8. It also invalidates laws on the books in five other states that allowed executions for child rape that does not result in the death of the victim.

Obama said that had the court "said we want to constrain the abilities of states to do this to make sure that it's done in a careful and appropriate way, that would have been one thing. But it basically had a blanket prohibition and I disagree with that decision."

Obama has long supported the death penalty while criticizing the way it is sometimes applied.

As an Illinois legislator, he helped rewrite the state's death penalty system to guard against innocent people being sentenced to die. The new safeguards included requiring police to videotape interrogations and giving the state Supreme Court more power to overturn unjust decisions.

He also opposed legislation making it easier to impose the death penalty for murders committed as part of gang activity. Obama argued the language was too vague and could be abused by authorities.

But Obama has never rejected the death penalty entirely. He supported death sentences for killing volunteers in community policing programs and for particularly cruel murders of elderly people.

"While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes — mass murder, the rape and murder of a child — so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment," he wrote in his book "The Audacity of Hope."
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:37 PM   #274
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^To prove that not all Obama supporters are blind sheep, I have to say I disagree with completely with Obama on this issue.
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Nader: Obama is 'talking white' Obama: Nader seeks attention
By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News
Originally published 12:05 a.m., June 25, 2008

Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader accused Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic Party nominee, of downplaying poverty issues, trying to "talk white" and appealing to "white guilt" during his run for the White House.

Nader, a thorn in the Democratic Party's side since the 2000 presidential election, has taken various shots at Obama in recent days while ramping up his latest independent run for president.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Rocky Mountain News on Monday, he said he is running because he believes Democrats, like Republicans, are too closely aligned with corporate interests.

Economic exploitation

Nader was asked if Obama is any different than Democrats he has criticized in the past, considering Obama's pledge to reject campaign contributions from registered lobbyists.

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards."

The Obama campaign had only a brief response, calling the remarks disappointing.

Asked to clarify whether he thought Obama does try to "talk white," Nader said: "Of course.

"I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law," Nader said. "Haven't heard a thing."

"We are obviously disappointed with these very backward-looking remarks," Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson said.

Plans to visit DNC

Nader said he plans to travel to Denver during this summer's Democratic National Convention, hoping to highlight an alternative agenda that he thinks the party should pursue. His appearance in the city is sure to anger some Democrats who believe his presence on the ballot during the contested 2000 election cost Al Gore votes, helping Republican George Bush win the disputed election.

Nader rejects that blame, saying Democrats "scapegoated" him instead of looking at other factors that contributed to the defeat.

'Appeal to white guilt'

Nader said he is not impressed with Obama and that he does not see him campaigning often enough in low-income, predominantly minority communities where there is a "shocking" amount of economic exploitation.

He pointed to issues like predatory lending, shortages of health care and municipal resources, environmental issues and others.

"He wants to show that he is not a threatening . . . another politically threatening African-American politician," Nader said. "He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."
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^To prove that not all Obama supporters are blind sheep, I have to say I disagree with completely with Obama on this issue.
I agree with him that it is a bad judgment, but I disagree with the reasoning.

I actually sat down and read the whole 65 page judgment today. Some things Kennedy says are just odd. Policy decisions and victim's rights have nothing to do with constitutionality under the Eighth Amendment and he just totally veers off course there.

Regardless of all of that, there should be no death penalty for anyone.
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First of all: One of the many things I like about Obama is his effort to curb payday-lending. It was a major issue for him as a legislator from Chicago.

Secondly: Nader is a washed-up has-been and he will do anything to get media attention.

He did good things in the past but 8 years ago he really effed things up.
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Regardless of all of that, there should be no death penalty for anyone.
That's a value judgment, and I counter with another one: A civil society should always have the death penalty available on its statute books. Of course, ideally it will never be used or only used in extremis.
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I completely disagree. Mercifully almost the entire civilized world has moved beyond it.

Furthermore, our criminal law system is flawed enough that I would not wager somebody's life on it.
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That's a value judgment, and I counter with another one: A civil society should always have the death penalty available on its statute books. Of course, ideally it will never be used or only used in extremis.
Why would a civil society need an absolute punishment to a non absolute system? That doesn't sound very civil to me.
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Former Vietnam Captor Says He’d Vote for McCain - America’s Election HQ

Former Vietnam Captor Says He'd Vote For McCain

John McCain has fielded the unlikeliest of endorsements — from his former captor in the Vietnam War.

Tran Trong Duyet, who was in charge of the so-called “Hanoi Hilton” where McCain was imprisoned for more than five years after his plane was shot down in 1967, told the British Broadcasting Corporation that he now considers McCain his “friend” and that if he had the chance he would vote for him for president.

“If I were American, I’d vote for John McCain,” Duyet, now 75, told the BBC. “I think he’d make a very capable president. He’s done so much to improve relations between our two countries.”

Duyet, who called McCain “very conservative” and “very loyal to his country,” said he has followed the Arizona senator’s career since he left the prison.

“I wish him success in the presidential election,” he said.

Duyet said that while McCain was imprisoned the two used to argue over the war, but he now wants to “leave the past behind.”

The presumptive GOP nominee is a former Navy pilot whose plane was taken down during a raid over Hanoi, was treated as somewhat of a prize at the time since his father was a renowned admiral. However, McCain refused to take advantage of his pedigree to be released from prison ahead of his fellow captors.

McCain has drawn moderate attention to his time as a prisoner of war on the campaign trail. In his first major TV ad of the general election, he speaks about his five and a half years as a POW. The ad shows footage of his plane wreckage and of him wounded at the Hanoi prison. In the ad he says: “I hate war. And I know how terrible its costs are. I’m running for president to keep the country I love safe.”

McCain’s wife Cindy visited Vietnam on a charity mission last week.

Though McCain and the Navy say he was tortured, and his medical records show he has degenerative arthritis from his war injuries, Duyet disputed that claim.

“We never tortured any prisoners,” Duyet told the BBC, adding that McCain “lies to American voters” to summon support for his presidential bid.

The BBC noted that Duyet’s account is impossible to verify.
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[Q]Though McCain and the Navy say he was tortured, and his medical records show he has degenerative arthritis from his war injuries, Duyet disputed that claim.

“We never tortured any prisoners,” Duyet told the BBC, adding that McCain “lies to American voters” to summon support for his presidential bid.[/Q]
I can't imagine McCain was pleased to have that 'endorsement.'
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We had a volunteer in the office yesterday calling voters and she spoke with one woman whose husband served under McCain...they are not voting for McCain.
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Barack Obama vs. John McCain Head to Head Matchup Polls

Updated 6/25/2008

Barack Obama: 300
John McCain: 238
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That's just so rich coming from him. Who is Rove at the country club? And in what year exactly was it that Sen Obama was permitted to enter said country club? Maybe there are some that still don't like those African Americans in their clubs..

To be called arrogant by Karl Rove is quite an achievement

abcnews.com

Rove: Obama's the Guy at the Country Club Holding a Martini Making Snide Comments About Everyone Else

June 23, 2008 1:36 PM

ABC News' Christianne Klein reports that at a breakfast with Republican insiders at the Capitol Hill Club this morning, former White House senior aide Karl Rove referred to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, as "coolly arrogant."

"Even if you never met him, you know this guy," Rove said, per Christianne Klein. "He's the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by."

Rove said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., "needs to come right at him." He referred to the latest Newsweek poll showing Obama with a 15-point lead over McCain as nonsense, though he used a more scatological synonym. Rove said he was heading over to the White House for lunch and a chat with the President, Klein reports.
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