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Old 06-17-2008, 07:15 PM   #136
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I really will not blame Hillary supporters if they do not pull the lever for Obama.
If you want to vote for McCain or write in Hillary, just do it. Your rationalizations and justifications are plain weird 9 times out of 10 now and I'm wondering how you even write half of the stuff with a straight face. Even the hardcore Hillary supporter at work (armed with a gigantic Hillary mug) wouldn't say most of the things that you say/insinuate. The reactionary tone is really something else. Maybe you're just being cheeky and I'm missing the plot here, though. Wouldn't be the first time.
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'Danger Signs' as Clinton Supporters Resist Obama
Democratic Candidate Leads but Still Struggles to Win Over Key GroupsBy JAKE TAPPER
June 17, 2008
Sen. Barack Obama has emerged from his bruising battle for the Democratic presidential nomination with only a six point lead over Sen. John McCain and claiming his Republican rival has been getting a "pass" from the media.

A ABC News/Washington Post poll shows Obama, D-Ill., leading McCain, R-Ariz., by a margin of 48 percent to 42 percent. It is a surprisingly small lead considering that the incumbent Republican president George Bush is at record lows and public opinion overwhelmingly feels the country is on the "wrong track".


No Bounce, Resistance from Clinton Supporters
The poll indicates that Obama did not get the traditional "bounce" in the public's opinion by finally defeating Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and getting her endorsement as the Democratic presidential candidate.

While leading among young voters and other key demographics, ABC News chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos saw what he called "danger signs" for Obama.

In an exclusive network interview with ABC News, Obama said that his long Democratic primary battle with Clinton, which wasn't settled until early June, spared McCain critical scrutiny.

"While we were doing that, John McCain basically was getting a pass, both from the media . . . as well as from other opponents. And so I think that explains it," said Obama of the close race.

It is an ironic accusation from Obama.

During the bitter Democratic fight, the Clinton camp repeatedly complained that Obama was getting a pass from the media.


Obama Targets Key Groups
Obama has been trying to shore up key components of the geographic and demographic components he will need to win the presidency.

He accepted the endorsement Monday night of former vice president and global warming guru Al Gore in Detroit. It was the second major endorsement Obama staged in the key state of Michigan, having announced the backing of former presidential contender John Edwards in Michigan as well.

Obama was trying to make up for lost time in the swing state because he had avoided Michigan during the primaries as the Democratic Party punished the state for holding its primary earlier than the party wanted.

Obama also tried to head off any inroads McCain might make among women voters by arguing on GMA that "on almost every single issue that's important to women, he [McCain] has been on the wrong side."

"You know, he's in favor of judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade. He has opposed equal pay," Obama said, and charged that McCain also fought a program to insure children and to protect women from discrimination.

Women, particularly married white women, however, may be a problem for Obama, according to the Washington Post/ABC poll.

It showed that McCain has a 20 point advantage over Obama among married white women, a group that George Bush also won in the last two presidential elections.

Stephanopoulos told GMA that the figure was a "danger sign" for Obama. "This is a huge gap that Obama has to close if he's going to do well."


Question of Experience
Obama faces an additional problem that only half of the voters saying he has the necessary experience to be president.

"If you look at the key question of experience, that may be what's holding him back," Stephanopoulos said. "Only 50 percent of voters say that Barack Obama has the experience to be president. A full 46 percent say, no, he doesn't have the experience . . . That's one of the reasons they are going on the foreign trips."

Obama has talked publicly about going to Iraq, but ABC News has learned that he is adding Afghanistan to his travel itinerary.

The crucial political battle appears to be shaping up around independent voters between the age of 30 and 64.

"Those middle of the road independent voters, they are breaking right down the middle," Stephanopoulos said. "This is going to be a key battleground for both campaigns going into November."

While Obama runs well among younger voters, they are not always reliable when it comes to showing up at the polls. Meanwhile, he is 12 points behind McCain among the more reliable older voters.

In addition, nearly a quarter of Clinton's voters are holding back on their support, according to the ABC News/Washington Post poll.

"If that number stays that high, it will be difficult for Barack Obama to win," Stephanopoulos said.
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the perception of a horse race sells newspapers, ups website traffic, and increases television ratings.

i would expect nothing less than the creation of drama.

where's the reporting that Hispanics are breaking for Obama 62% to 28%? and compare this to the 40% that Bush got.

we need drama!

at least the good news is that the battle is going to be fought from the middle, with both candidates playing for independent, moderate voters instead of pandering to the know-nothing Christianist base of the party (who, as a credit to McCain, hate him anyway).

this just could be a well fought election decided upon actual issues. what a refreshing change from the GOP of 2004 who's message was, "if John Kerry is elected, terrorists will kill you."
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Former US presidential contender Mike Huckabee urged his fellow Republicans on Wednesday not to denigrate Democrat Barack Obama, saying they should celebrate the historic moment of a black candidate.

"Republicans will make a fundamental if not fatal mistake if they seek to win the election by demonising Barack Obama," Huckabee told a news conference on a visit to Tokyo.

The former Arkansas governor said that, having grown up in the segregated South, he never thought he would see an African-American win the nomination of a major party for the US presidency.

"I do not want to have anyone misrepresent or miss the opportunity to celebrate what I think is a landmark achievement, not just for Barack Obama, but for the United States of America," he said.

The country was able "to get to a point where we did not see his colour but we truly saw his charisma, his message and what he brought to the campaign trail," Huckabee said.

Huckabee, who won the first nomination contest in Iowa on the back of support from evangelical Christians, said he hoped Republican John McCain would defeat Obama but urged his party to highlight policy differences and not race.

Huckabee said the troubled US economy would be the top campaign issue and doubted that Obama's race would come into play.

"When people are really hurting -- and they are right now -- they're not looking at a person's race," he said.

Huckabee declined comment on whether he wanted the vice presidential nomination, other than to say that McCain would be more likely to pick him if he chose to focus on winning over Southern and conservative voters.

"You can't accept an invitation to the prom until the football captain asks you. So I'm not going to go out and buy the outfit just yet," Huckabee said.
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no one knows anything in June -- and note how this article plays up the whole "IT'S SOOOOOO CLOSE! OMG!! WHAT COULD HAPPEN! IT'S ANYBODY'S RACE!" angle when the facts really don't support this.

but then, this is a media that continues to believe McCain is a straight-talker who calls 'em as he sees 'em.

[q]Obama has narrow lead on McCain: Reuters poll
Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:27am EDT

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has a narrow 5-point lead on Republican John McCain in the U.S. presidential race, but holds a big early edge with the crucial swing voting blocs of independents and women, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Two weeks after clinching the Democratic nomination and kicking off the general election campaign, Obama leads McCain by 47 percent to 42 percent. That is down slightly from Obama's 8-point advantage on McCain in May, before Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York left the Democratic race.

But Obama holds a big 52 percent to 30 percent edge among independents and 51 percent to 36 percent among women -- two critical voting blocs that could help determine the winner in November's presidential election.

"Obama's significant lead among independents puts him over the top, and that's a problem for McCain," pollster John Zogby said. "McCain is going to have to appeal to independents in some way to win, and right now he has a lot of work to do."

Obama, 46, still must overcome questions about his relative lack of experience, the survey showed. More than half of likely voters agree with criticism the first-term senator from Illinois does not have the necessary experience.

Questions about McCain's age -- he will be 72 in August and would be the oldest person to become president if elected -- do not resonate as strongly with voters, the survey found. Nearly two-thirds disagreed with the idea that McCain's age should be a factor in the presidential race.

"The experience question is a hurdle for Obama, but so far voters seem to have other things on their mind like change," Zogby said. "Age is an issue for McCain, but it doesn't appear to be an overwhelming problem."

Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, triumphed in early June after a grueling five-month Democratic nomination fight with Clinton. McCain clinched the Republican race in March.

But Obama did not get a bounce in polls out of his victory. After the long nominating race voters are already familiar with the candidates and settling into a pattern, Zogby said.

"This race is starting out very close, and barring something dramatic is likely to stay close at least until near the end," he said.

McCain and Obama have clashed sharply on economic and security issues in the campaign's early stages. Obama has tried to link McCain to the policies of unpopular President George W. Bush and McCain has questioned Obama's judgment and experience.

OBAMA LEADS ON ECONOMY

The survey found voters gave Obama a narrow edge over McCain as a manager of the economy, 45 percent to 40 percent. Independents preferred Obama on the economy by 50 percent to 28 percent.

Obama's margin on economic leadership was down slightly from his 9-point advantage on McCain last month. McCain has criticized Obama for his plans to raise taxes on Americans who make more than $250,000 a year and to raise capital gains tax rates.

McCain led Obama among white voters, men, born-again Christians and high-income voters. Obama led among Hispanics, blacks, Catholics, young voters, suburban voters and union households. The two were essentially tied among voters over the age of 65.

Obama, an Iraq war opponent who has been labeled a liberal by Republicans, earned the support of about one-fifth of voters who identified themselves as conservative.

McCain, a former Navy pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war who has been a staunch advocate of the Iraq war, led 45 percent to 39 percent among families that include members of the armed forces.

"That a decorated hero like McCain, particularly a Republican, is not leading among that group by a huge amount is very significant," Zogby said. "That is really all about Iraq."

The inclusion of independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Party candidate Bob Barr, who are both in the process of trying to add their names to state ballots, did little to change the shape of the presidential race.

When Nader and Barr were included in the survey, Obama still led McCain by 5 percent, 45 percent to 40 percent. Nader and Barr each gained 3 percent of the vote.

The national survey of 1,113 likely voters, taken Thursday through Saturday, had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.[/q]



so you see, the media isn't liberal. it isn't conservative. it's out to MAKE MORE MONEY. those are it's values. and there's more money to be made when the race is close than when the race isn't close. every little movement will be spun as if it will have an impact on the race *only* if it appears to be making the race tighter.

and for some perspective, the polls in June are notoriously bad at predicting what will happen in November.
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no one knows anything in June -- and note how this article plays up the whole "IT'S SOOOOOO CLOSE! OMG!! WHAT COULD HAPPEN! IT'S ANYBODY'S RACE!" angle when the facts really don't support this.

but then, this is a media that continues to believe McCain is a straight-talker who calls 'em as he sees 'em.

[q]Obama has narrow lead on McCain: Reuters poll
Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:27am EDT

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has a narrow 5-point lead on Republican John McCain in the U.S. presidential race, but holds a big early edge with the crucial swing voting blocs of independents and women, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Two weeks after clinching the Democratic nomination and kicking off the general election campaign, Obama leads McCain by 47 percent to 42 percent. That is down slightly from Obama's 8-point advantage on McCain in May, before Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York left the Democratic race.

But Obama holds a big 52 percent to 30 percent edge among independents and 51 percent to 36 percent among women -- two critical voting blocs that could help determine the winner in November's presidential election.

"Obama's significant lead among independents puts him over the top, and that's a problem for McCain," pollster John Zogby said. "McCain is going to have to appeal to independents in some way to win, and right now he has a lot of work to do."

Obama, 46, still must overcome questions about his relative lack of experience, the survey showed. More than half of likely voters agree with criticism the first-term senator from Illinois does not have the necessary experience.

Questions about McCain's age -- he will be 72 in August and would be the oldest person to become president if elected -- do not resonate as strongly with voters, the survey found. Nearly two-thirds disagreed with the idea that McCain's age should be a factor in the presidential race.

"The experience question is a hurdle for Obama, but so far voters seem to have other things on their mind like change," Zogby said. "Age is an issue for McCain, but it doesn't appear to be an overwhelming problem."

Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, triumphed in early June after a grueling five-month Democratic nomination fight with Clinton. McCain clinched the Republican race in March.

But Obama did not get a bounce in polls out of his victory. After the long nominating race voters are already familiar with the candidates and settling into a pattern, Zogby said.

"This race is starting out very close, and barring something dramatic is likely to stay close at least until near the end," he said.

McCain and Obama have clashed sharply on economic and security issues in the campaign's early stages. Obama has tried to link McCain to the policies of unpopular President George W. Bush and McCain has questioned Obama's judgment and experience.

OBAMA LEADS ON ECONOMY

The survey found voters gave Obama a narrow edge over McCain as a manager of the economy, 45 percent to 40 percent. Independents preferred Obama on the economy by 50 percent to 28 percent.

Obama's margin on economic leadership was down slightly from his 9-point advantage on McCain last month. McCain has criticized Obama for his plans to raise taxes on Americans who make more than $250,000 a year and to raise capital gains tax rates.

McCain led Obama among white voters, men, born-again Christians and high-income voters. Obama led among Hispanics, blacks, Catholics, young voters, suburban voters and union households. The two were essentially tied among voters over the age of 65.

Obama, an Iraq war opponent who has been labeled a liberal by Republicans, earned the support of about one-fifth of voters who identified themselves as conservative.

McCain, a former Navy pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war who has been a staunch advocate of the Iraq war, led 45 percent to 39 percent among families that include members of the armed forces.

"That a decorated hero like McCain, particularly a Republican, is not leading among that group by a huge amount is very significant," Zogby said. "That is really all about Iraq."

The inclusion of independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Party candidate Bob Barr, who are both in the process of trying to add their names to state ballots, did little to change the shape of the presidential race.

When Nader and Barr were included in the survey, Obama still led McCain by 5 percent, 45 percent to 40 percent. Nader and Barr each gained 3 percent of the vote.

The national survey of 1,113 likely voters, taken Thursday through Saturday, had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.[/q]



so you see, the media isn't liberal. it isn't conservative. it's out to MAKE MORE MONEY. those are it's values. and there's more money to be made when the race is close than when the race isn't close. every little movement will be spun as if it will have an impact on the race *only* if it appears to be making the race tighter.

and for some perspective, the polls in June are notoriously bad at predicting what will happen in November.
People want to be right in predicting what is happening, so although you may hope that talk of a close race is just talk to make more money, the polling that has been done shows otherwise. Yes, it is polling and prone to a lot of error, but recall that when John Kerry finally won the nomination in 2004, he jumped out to a lead of 10 points in most polls over Bush. Bush of course ended up winning by nearly 3 points in the actual election.

By contrast, Obama's bounce from winning the nomination was about half of Kerry's and is now down to only 4 points based on the latest polls:

Rasmussen Tracking: Obama 48% McCain 45%
Gallup Tracking: Obama 46% McCain 42%
Reuters/Zogby: Obama 47% McCain 42%
ABC News/Washington Post: Obama 49% McCain 45%
Cook/ RT strategies: Obama 44% McCain 40%

Essentially a very slight lead outside of the margin of error. Historically, the largest leads between candidates are posted earlier in the year. As you move closer to November, the race tends to tighten up with the margin of one candidate over the other getting smaller. No one can claim now that the race is close because Hillary is still in the race or that McCain is getting a free pass.

More importantly, this race will be won in the electoral college, not in the national popular vote. Obama has weakness in multiple swing states that is still showing up in the polls. McCain still leads in Michigan when you average the polls despite the fact that Michigan has the worst economy in the country. If Romney is on the ticket with McCain, Michigan may very well go red this year. Obama will never win West Virginia and no Democratic candidate has won the presidency without West Virginia since the 1920s.

While states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana may be in play now when they haven't been in the past, McCain has a better shot of keeping those states than Obama has of keeping Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire.

Another basic reality is that the United States is still a racist country in many area's, which could cost Obama certain swing states.

So at this point, the factual evidence shows a close race shaping up and anything but McCain being blown out or having no chance of winning. McCain is in a good position despite the many advantages that Obama has, and could very well win the Presidency in November. Not bad for a guy who everyone claimed was DONE, just a year ago.
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More importantly, this race will be won in the electoral college, not in the national popular vote. Obama has weakness in multiple swing states that is still showing up in the polls. McCain still leads in Michigan when you average the polls despite the fact that Michigan has the worst economy in the country. If Romney is on the ticket with McCain, Michigan may very well go red this year. Obama will never win West Virginia and no Democratic candidate has won the presidency without West Virginia since the 1920s.



since you're willing to believe polls in June, here's one for you:

[q]June 18, 2008 - Obama Leads McCain In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; Clinton On The Ticket Does Not Help Dems --- FLORIDA: Obama 47 - McCain 43; OHIO: Obama 48 - McCain 42; PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 52 - McCain 40

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With strong support from women, blacks and younger voters, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the apparent Democratic presidential contender, leads Arizona Sen. John McCain, expected to be the Republican candidate, among likely voters in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, according to simultaneous Quinnipiac University Swing State polls released today.

This is the first time Sen. Obama has led in all three states. No one has been elected President since 1960 without taking two of these three largest swing states in the Electoral College. Results from the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University polls show:

* Florida: Obama edges McCain 47 - 43 percent;
* Ohio: Obama tops McCain 48 - 42 percent;
* Pennsylvania: Obama leads McCain 52 - 40 percent.

In the three states, Obama leads McCain 10 to 23 percentage points among women, while men are too close to call. The Democrat trails among white voters in Florida and Ohio, but gets more than 90 percent of black voters in each state. He also has double-digit leads among young voters in each state.

"Finally getting Sen. Hillary Clinton out of the race has been a big boost for Sen. Barack Obama. He now leads in all three of the major swing states, although his margins in Florida and Ohio are small," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"Sen. Obama is certainly not out of the woods, but these results are a good indication that he enters the summer slightly ahead in the race to be the next president."
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and the fact remains that the only reason that McCain is even viable is because of the great lengths he's gone to separate himself from President Bush, even if the substance doesn't support his claims (though we can think back to the days when McCain was thinking about becoming a Democrat). there was never any question in my mind that McCain was the only viable Republican candidate, and the party wisely did the right thing and nominated the only candidate who would have a fighting chance against the Dems.

but when it comes to Congress, the Republicans are posed for heavy, heavy losses in both houses due to the abject failure of the Bush presidency. even of Obama should somehow lose, McCain will have to work will a Democratic House and Senate.
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The campaign has apologized to the women, all Obama supporters who said they felt betrayed by their treatment at the rally.
Muslims barred from photo at Obama event - USATODAY.com

The impression I get is Obama is really going far to prove to some Americans that he is not Muslim. I think next time he's in Detroit, he should allow those women to be in the photo op.
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^ That story caught my eye too. It sounds like most likely, this was solely a stupid judgment call on the part of two rookie volunteers. But yes, I've also wished that when the Obama campaign addresses these (patently silly) claims that he's somehow some sort of crypto-Muslim, they'd also address the patently bigoted assumptions about Muslims that give those rumors their bite in the first place.
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address the patently bigoted assumptions about Muslims that give those rumors their bite in the first place.


yep. the fact that "Muslim" is an insult to some is an insult to us all.
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this just could be a well fought election decided upon actual issues. what a refreshing change from the GOP of 2004 who's message was, "if John Kerry is elected, terrorists will kill you."
Sorry to break it to you, but liberals are 10 times as worse and vile as the GOP in spreading garbage like that. Liberals don't want to talk issues. When they talk about issues, they lose. That's why so many groups put out videos like these:

YouTube - You Can't Have Alex! MoveOn.org (NTVNAT.com)

and this:

YouTube - I'm Voting Republican


These videos are despicable, and anyone who appears in these videos is, too. Why talk about issues when you can just say that John McCain is George Bush and purposefully and knowingly take his "100 years" remark grossly out of context and say that Republicans don't care if people have breast cancer. Anyone whose mind is even in the slightest way influenced by messages like these is stupid.

If Obama is supposed to win this election without breaking a sweat, why waste time and money on these videos?
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Sorry to break it to you, but liberals are 10 times as worse and vile as the GOP in spreading garbage like that. Liberals don't want to talk issues. When they talk about issues, they lose. That's why so many groups put out videos like these:

YouTube - You Can't Have Alex! MoveOn.org (NTVNAT.com)

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YouTube - I'm Voting Republican


These videos are despicable, and anyone who appears in these videos is, too. Why talk about issues when you can just say that John McCain is George Bush and purposefully and knowingly take his "100 years" remark grossly out of context and say that Republicans don't care if people have breast cancer. Anyone whose mind is even in the slightest way influenced by messages like these is stupid.

If Obama is supposed to win this election without breaking a sweat, why waste time and money on these videos?
Liberals lose when they talk about the issues?

Ok, let's do talk about the issues, let me know when you are ready?

There is a BIG difference between these ads and the actual VP promising a terrorist attack if they aren't re-elected. Even you have to be able to see the difference.
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Sorry to break it to you, but liberals are 10 times as worse and vile as the GOP in spreading garbage like that. Liberals don't want to talk issues. When they talk about issues, they lose.
Sorry to break it to you, but everything you said is merely your (quite obviously biased) opinion, and I dare say that if one were to do a thorough comparison, your opinion would not match up with reality all too well.

I don't recall Al Gore's or John Kerry's campaigns circulating vicious rumors that their opponents fathered illegitimate (and - gasp - interracial!) children, or trumped up their war services and/or injuries in order to receive awards they didn't deserve. McCain at least had the sense to denounce the swiftboating of Kerry. Didn't see a peep out of Bush on that or McCain's shameful treatment in '00. I also don't recall the "liberals" bringing up homosexuality to scare up votes rather than talking about the issues that actually affect Americans.

Not to mention your "evidence" is 2 independently produced bits not affiliated with any campaign, or even the mainstream of the "liberal" movement.
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 20:40 EDT
Fox News calls Michelle Obama "Obama's baby mama"

An alert reader wrote in just a little while ago to let us know about something he'd spotted on Fox News Wednesday afternoon. During a segment discussing conservative attacks against Michelle Obama, the wife of presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama, the network described the former as "Obama's baby mama."

I checked, and sure enough, as you can see below, our e-mailer was right. In fact, that description was displayed on screen several times during the segment, which featured anchor Megyn Kelly and conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, an FNC contributor.

A clip of the segment in its entirety is below. You may notice that at one point, Malkin says, "By the way, it's not just Republicans who are criticizing some of her comments, but also statements have been made in the left-leaning blog Salon about her comments." I've searched the site, and I can't find anything like what Malkin is talking about. I've e-mailed Malkin asking for clarification -- if and when she responds, I'll update this post.

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Update: Malkin responded to my e-mail; she says she misspoke and that she meant to refer to Slate, not Salon.

More liberal hypocrisy. When Republicans say something like that, its offensive, yet the woman herself refers to her husband as her baby's daddy, and there is no uproar.

Scandal? Michelle Obama Called Hubby Barack: "My Baby's Daddy"

"When Obama won his Senate seat in 2004, at the victory party, Michelle introduced him to the crowd as 'my baby's daddy.' And she did so rather excitedly. I grabbed the transcript off Nexis." Here's an excerpt from CNN. Blitzer: "We can take a look. Maybe he will and maybe he won't, but she looks like she's about to introduce him. Let's listen in." Michelle Obama, wife of Barack Obama, and in the middle of her glowing, excited introduction of her husband, Barack Obama, she said, "My baby's daddy, Barack Obama! Yeah!" She introduced her husband as "my baby's daddy." Barack Obama, senator-elect, Illinois: "Thank you, Illinois. Thank you. Thank you, Illinois."
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More liberal hypocrisy.
Yes, clearly. I mean, some black people call each other "niggah," so why can't white people describe them that way?
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