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Old 09-12-2008, 08:53 AM   #676
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The straight talk express has detoured into doublespeak.
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Republican presidential nominee John McCain, a self-proclaimed tell-it-like-it-is maverick, keeps saying his running mate, Sarah Palin, killed the federally funded Bridge to Nowhere when, in fact, she pulled her support only after the project became a political embarrassment. He accuses Democrat Barack Obama of calling Palin a pig, which did not happen. He says Obama would raise nearly everyone's taxes, when independent groups say 80 percent of families would get tax cuts instead.
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Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks" when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.
Thanks, media, for catching on.
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I can't find it on youtube at the moment, but Obama just released an ad mocking McCain for not knowing how to use a computer or send an email.

For all the supposedly mean ads that McCain has put out recently, you guys can't possibly think this new ad isn't idiotic as well.
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They won't do it. I'd be shocked if they did it. Hilary doesn't want it.
They would lose. Obama has consistently said that he picked Biden because he's the best person he could think of to help him govern. If he tossed him out and grabbed Hillary, he would be abandoning the supposed good of the country just to help him win. It would be a very low move, though I'm not convinced it won't happen yet.
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Hmm...

Rasmussen Poll with an end date of 09/07 had McCain up by 7 in Ohio - 51-44.

But a Quinnipiac poll with an end date of 09/09 and a sample size nearly three times larger than that of the Rasmussen poll has Obama up by 5 - 49-44. Interesting.

Also of interest, the most recent CNN/Time poll for New Hampshire, with an end date of 09/09 - looks to be the most recent poll we have for NH at this point - has Obama's lead increased to six points - 51-45.

Of concern is that the most recent poll for New Mexico - a Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/08 - has McCain suddenly ahead by two points - 49-47, where Obama had had a fairly comfortable advantage there up to this point.

No recent enough polls for Indiana, but rumblings are the the Obama campaign's internal polling says that Indiana is close enough for them to take out considerable television ad time and maybe schedule some campaign appearances there.

Still waiting for a new poll for Nevada - nothing beyond 08/26 there.

All recent polling suggests that Obama still has a slim lead in Colorado.

Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/07 has McCain up by 2 in Virginia - 49-47, as does a SurveyUSA poll with an end date of 09/07, while a CNN/Time poll with an end date of 09/09 has McCain up by 4 there - 50-46.

CNN/Time gives Obama a 4 point - 49-45 - lead in Michigan as of 09/09, while two other polls give him a 1 point - 45-44 and 47-46 - lead in Michigan as of 09/07.

In Pennsylvania, as of 09/09, Quinnipiac has Obama up by 3 - 48-45, while as of 09/07, Rasmussen and Strategic Vision have him up by 2 - 47-45. Many are suggesting that Pennsylvania is not as close as it looks - that it will go Obama.

In Florida, a Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/07 has it tied, while three other polls - PPP with an end date of 09/07, Quinnipiac with an end date of 09/09, and InAdv/Pollposition with an end date of 09/10 - have McCain up by 5 - 50-45, 7 - 50-43, and 8 - 50-42, respectively.

Interesting times.

It's also interesting that McCain has been closing the gap in Washington state. Obama has been up by double digits since the beginning, but Rasmussen's latest poll puts the gap at just two. If he could pull off those 11 votes, that would be big.
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Gallup has consistently had the Democrats winning big in Congress, but it's now very close.

December '07: Democrats up 53-40
February '08: Democrats up 55-40
June '08: Democrats up 51-40
August '08: Democrats up 51-40
September '08: Democrats up 48-45

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Ba...mpetitive.aspx
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Gallup has consistently had the Democrats winning big in Congress, but it's now very close.
This is just the height of idiocy.

National polls are completely meaningless in congressional races! Congress could have a 1% approval rating but locally, most people think it's not THEIR congressman/woman that's the problem.
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They would lose. Obama has consistently said that he picked Biden because he's the best person he could think of to help him govern. If he tossed him out and grabbed Hillary, he would be abandoning the supposed good of the country just to help him win. It would be a very low move, though I'm not convinced it won't happen yet.

Did you even pay attention to the rest of the rumor?
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I can't find it on youtube at the moment, but Obama just released an ad mocking McCain for not knowing how to use a computer or send an email.

For all the supposedly mean ads that McCain has put out recently, you guys can't possibly think this new ad isn't idiotic as well.
Sounds lame, but can't really comment on it without seeing it...
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Wow, McCain is now only behind by 2 points in Washington State now based on the new Rasmussen poll there. He was behind in that same poll by 12 points in August! If this trend continues, Washington State could be a toss up state. Thats 11 Electoral votes that the Democrats cannot afford to lose.

No new polls yet for Oregon which is a more conservative state than Washington.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Washington: McCain vs. Obama
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Wrong. It's questioning the integrity of forum members who apparently have absolutely no problem with a candidate openly lying to the American people about his opponent.
Sorry, I did not know the forum rules allowed questioning the integrity of forum members for any reason.
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I can't find it on youtube at the moment, but Obama just released an ad mocking McCain for not knowing how to use a computer or send an email.

For all the supposedly mean ads that McCain has put out recently, you guys can't possibly think this new ad isn't idiotic as well.


the second you denounce the sleaze and outright lies of the McCain campaign,

then we'll talk about this personal but truthful ad.
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and Truman was unpopular not because of the Korean War but *despite* it. but, yes, let's keep up the endless Truman comparisons because it's easier than actually thinking.
Actually that is incorrect. Turmans approval rating did not consistently stay below his disapproval rating until after the Chinese entered the Korean war and US casualties increased. Its generally well known that the single biggest issue effecting Trumans approval rating was the Korean War. His approval rating rating was in the high 40s before the Chinese intervention, but quickly dropped over the next 8 months to the mid-20s and stayed there for most of the rest of his time in office. He got back to a 32% approval rating before he left office in January 1953.

By 1952, only 37% of Americans thought that US military intervention in Korea was NOT a mistake. Notice though that the majority of Americans today think that the military intervention in Korea was indeed necessary and continue to support the United States defense committment to South Korea.
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Was Joe Biden "Lying" when he said the following things?

YouTube - Even Joe Biden does not believe in Barack Obama!
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Actually that is incorrect. Turmans approval rating did not consistently stay below his disapproval rating until after the Chinese entered the Korean war and US casualties increased. Its generally well known that the single biggest issue effecting Trumans approval rating was the Korean War. His approval rating rating was in the high 40s before the Chinese intervention, but quickly dropped over the next 8 months to the mid-20s and stayed there for most of the rest of his time in office. He got back to a 32% approval rating before he left office in January 1953.

By 1952, only 37% of Americans thought that US military intervention in Korea was NOT a mistake. Notice though that the majority of Americans today think that the military intervention in Korea was indeed necessary and continue to support the United States defense committment to South Korea.


sorry, that's too simplistic. Truman's war-related unpopularity was due to his removal of MacArthur from command of the Korean War due to MacArthur's absolutely insane idea of invading the North and being excited about nuking China. Truman rightly sacked the great WW2 hero, and rightly so, and at a cost to his popularity.

there was also rapid inflation at the time and his desegregation of the armed forces caused him much antipathy from racist Southern Democrats. there was also a huge IRS scandal leading to the firing of 250 employees.

so while it's easy to say "Iraq has made GWB unpopular just like the Korean War made HST unpopular; therefore, GWB will be vindicated by history just like HST," it's also totally fatuous to say so.
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