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Old 09-10-2008, 02:22 AM   #496
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Are you panicking over where the presidential race stands?

Submitted by Chad on Tue, 09/09/2008 - 10:09

Even after the convention bounces, Barack Obama and John McCain are virtually tied in the polls. The focus has been on Sarah Palin and Sarah Palin, but not on the issues or even the presidential candidates. And there are 8 weeks until the election.

Is it time to panic? Are you panicking now? As the great philosopher Lou Reed once said, "Valium would have helped that bash."

Well, I can't prescribe Valium for every reader or even provide acetaminophen with codeine (available w/o a prescription in Canada) to ease the pain. So what do you do for the next 8 weeks?

Obama has remained calm and cool since he announced his presidential run in February 2007. When Obama trailed in the polls late in 2007, he didn't panic. When Sen. Hillary Clinton regained momentum in New Hampshire, no panic. When Clinton surged at the end, again no signs of panic. And now, with momentum on the side of McCain/Palin, there is no panic.

I have had anxiety issues. I have had prescriptions for Valium and similar cousins of the product, so I definitely have some familiarity with this world. While medication is a useful tool, you also have to be more pro-active in trying to resolve your anxiety. So let's try and diffuse some of that anxiety.

-- If you are anxious now, try being a Republican in 1988 when Michael Dukakis had an 18-point lead. True, Dukakis made a number of mistakes, but McCain is certainly capable of that as well. Winning now doesn't mean winning later.

-- Limit your TV viewing in general. You could just watch Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow 5 days a week, and feel content. But a sampling of the right-wing media and the clueless corporate media is necessary to get a true feel of the world. But be very careful: too much TV punditry, whether you agree or disagree, can distort your view and, yes, add extra anxiety to your life.

-- Notice that even the MSM is spending some time actually being critical of the Republican nominees for president and vice president. We can all agree that they don't spend enough time and resources, but there is more in 2008 than 2004 or 2000. It's an encouraging sign.

-- The debates are still to come. McCain and Palin have been frighteningly absent in their specifics for anything. While they have sailed scot-free on this so far, debates bring this inadequacy out.

-- Read up on Canada or Mexico or [insert country name here]. Discover the joys of what it would be like to live in a different country.

-- Finally, do something. Make a contribution, not just financial. Use your time, resources, money, and whatever to make you feel like you are making a difference. And if you can't do that, exercise or clean your damn apartment these things help to reduce anxiety.
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Old 09-10-2008, 10:19 AM   #497
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No, I don't think that. You're missing the point. When then? 6th grade? 8th? High School? Who determines that?

You guys all seem like your going to defend Obama to the bitter end, willing to overlook just about everything along the way.

You're missing much, much more. For someone who seems to care so much about your children's education, you sure as hell don't know much about it at all.

Who on earth do you think determines when sex ed is done now? Who the hell do you think determines when a student reads Tolstoy? Do you think that there's an explicit bill signed into law that says: "Students shall not read Shakespeare until 7th grade?"

What the fuck???
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This cartoon is hilarious!

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wow. this thread. just, wow.

i feel your pain anitram.

good for you for cutting the bullshit and calling out people for what they are: uninformed. not stupid. not wrong. not dumb. just very simply uninformed.

(i'm kind of glad Memphis and i decided to watch 3 hours of Andrew Zimmern last night so i was away from the computer)


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Out of bounds! McCain misstates Obama sex-ed record
Margaret Talev | McClatchy Newspapers

last updated: September 09, 2008 07:44:08 PM

WASHINGTON — Throw the flag against: The McCain-Palin campaign.

Call: Unsportsmanlike conduct.

What happened: A new 30-second TV ad attacks Barack Obama's record on education, saying that Obama backed legislation to teach "'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartners." The announcer then says, "Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family."

Why that's wrong: This is a deliberately misleading accusation. It came hours after the Obama campaign released a TV ad critical of McCain's votes on public education. As a state senator in Illinois, Obama did vote for but was not a sponsor of legislation dealing with sex ed for grades K-12.

But the legislation allowed local school boards to teach "age-appropriate" sex education, not comprehensive lessons to kindergartners, and it gave schools the ability to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators.

Republican Alan Keyes tried to use Obama's vote against him in the 2004 U.S. Senate race. At the time, Obama spoke about wanting to protect young children from abuse. He made clear then that he was not supporting teaching kindergartners about explicit details of sex.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Tuesday of McCain's ad: "It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls."

Penalty: 15 yards for the McCain campaign's deliberate low blow.
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This article saying about the same thing: As Campaign Heats Up, Untruths Can Become Facts Before They're Undone

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As the presidential campaign moves into a final, heated stretch, untrue accusations and rumors have started to swirl at a pace so quick that they become regarded as fact before they can be disproved.
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what's happening, to me at least, is this.

if you go back and read the RNC thread, i thought i respected McCain a great deal. i disagreed with him, obviously, but that speech reminded us who it was he once appeared to be. i hoped that despite the rank political expediency of the Palin pick we might again see the John McCain of 2000 back in our midst.

now, with this lipstick/pig lie, and the sex ed lie, it's apparently clear that John McCain doesn't even meet the basic threshold of integrity to hold public office, let alone the presidency. the people putting out these ads, and McCain himself, know that they are lying to the American public. and you know what? they're betting that you're too stupid to know better or too lazy to care.

these ads demonstrate what McCain thinks of you, his supporters.

you need a better candidate. one who doesn't play you for fools and idiots.
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doesn't even meet the basic threshold of integrity to hold public office, let alone the presidency. the people putting out these ads, know that they are lying to the American public. and you know what? they're betting that you're too stupid to know better or too lazy to care.

these ads demonstrate what McCain thinks of you, his supporters.

you need a better candidate. one who doesn't play you for fools and idiots.
I could say this exact thing about Obama. It's politics.
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I could say this exact thing about Obama. It's politics.


show me any Obama ad that has the same level of dishonesty as the two ads released by McCain yesterday.

ask better of your candidate. he is degrading you as a supporter.

hell, even George HW Bush didn't put his name on the racist Willie Horton ad.
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You guys all seem like your going to defend Obama to the bitter end, willing to overlook just about everything along the way.
The same can be said about any candidate of any party in any election year. Some people can be apologists to the "bitter end," but it's equal on BOTH sides.
If Obama released an ad about McCain's "___" and you thought it to be a misrepresentation, McCain supporters would be the first in here to bitch and moan about how evil Obama and his campaign are.
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The same can be said about any candidate of any party in any election year. Some people can be apologists to the "bitter end," but it's equal on BOTH sides.
If Obama released an ad about McCain's "___" and you thought it to be a misrepresentation, McCain supporters would be the first in here to bitch and moan about how evil Obama and his campaign are.


i still don't think there's any equivocation to be made between the utterly false McCain ads on the "lipstick/pig" lie or the "comprehensive sex ed" lie.

McCain has disgraced himself and his campaign. he'll say and do anything to win. he thinks voters are stupid and he continuously insults his supporters.
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i still don't think there's any equivocation to be made between the utterly false McCain ads on the "lipstick/pig" lie or the "comprehensive sex ed" lie.
The lipstick lie ??

sorry, your bias prevents you from looking at this episode objectively


the sex ed ad ??

I am re-evaluating my opinion,
after a little more investigating
I can safely say, I am not 100% comfortable with it


I may have a little time tonight to post more


I will have a busy day today

I will be moderating a televised debate between five candidates for local office.
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The lipstick lie ??

sorry, your bias prevents you from looking at this episode objectively

thank goodness we have you to see clearly for us, because you've never assumed the worst about Obama and pronounced that the sky was falling.

if you look at the full quote in context, you'll know it has nothing to do with Gov. Palin. it is your bias that assumes the worst about this particular candidate and wishes for every slander, lie, and falsehood to be true so that you can feel some sort of vindication that HRC was the better candidate.

that is bias.



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good luck. i hope you get a good debate that focuses on issues and not personal narratives.
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I have very little respect left for McCain.

I don't think he is a stupid man, so that leaves him as a liar.

The mainstream media is pretty much saying so today too - so much for fringe leftist bloggers.
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YouTube - Obama Blasts McCain on Lipstickgate: Enough of the lies and distractions!
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The mainstream media is pretty much saying so today too - so much for fringe leftist bloggers.

Mike Huckabee, too, is coming to Obama's defense.

what a crap story.

why the fuck are we talking about this when we're looking at a projected 6.2% unemployment?
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