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Old 08-31-2008, 10:33 PM   #811
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Obama's known quantities...his propensity to surround himself with what I considener "extremist" views...concerns me.

That propensity concerns me more than her inexperience.

McCain has thought deeply about issues as well. That and 10 cents will get me...well...nothing in this country...hehe Damn economy.


other than Wright,

who are these extremists that you see Obama giving serious time and attention to in regards to the formulation of policy?
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in my opinion,

McCain's unveiling was a much, much bigger and more successful stunt.

so go with success

and experience on the top of the ticket.
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a record of saying one thing and then doing something else.


true.

if you can't say anything nice,

don't say anything at all.
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Obama's known quantities...his propensity to surround himself with what I considener "extremist" views...concerns me.
i'm curious - who do you consider to be extremists? that's a genuine question.

someone other than wright?
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so go with success

and experience on the top of the ticket.


you'll be supportive of the various proxy wars with Russia and a permanent occupation of Iraq, then.
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so go with success

and experience on the top of the ticket.
Why don't we go with whose platform we agree with.

I don't agree with almost anything McCain says and 500 years of experience couldn't change that so I don't give a rat's ass about his Senate record. In fact, that only proves more to me that I don't want to vote for him.

Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
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you'll be supportive of the various proxy wars with Russia and a permanent occupation of Iraq, then.
It's a fair point.

McCain never got over the fact that he lost Vietnam.

There are good and ample reasons for anti-war conservatives to be intensely suspicious of his agenda - which is why I still prefer Obama/Biden.
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i'm curious - who do you consider to be extremists? that's a genuine question.

someone other than wright?
the weatherman
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Why don't we go with whose platform we agree with.

I don't agree with almost anything McCain says and 500 years of experience couldn't change that so I don't give a rat's ass about his Senate record. In fact, that only proves more to me that I don't want to vote for him.

Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

platforms mean nothing

but if you are referring to his potential agenda

true, I am not crazy about all of it.

But, I am sure he will not abuse the office like Bush has and the Democratic Senate will keep him in check, and he will even choose a moderate course to get things accomplished


I just gave Obama / Biden 20 minutes of my time to watch them on 60 minutes.

And I swear, Obama could have been in a coma for the last four years.
He did not give one example of anything he has done.

Just all this non specific talk about nice things, saying he is for change.
He gives me nothing to vote for.
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so you believe this stuff,

but think the Palin mother/grandmother thing is horseshit?
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so you believe this stuff,

but think the Palin mother/grandmother thing is horseshit?
I am sorry, are you denying his association with Avery?
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platforms mean nothing

but if you are referring to his potential agenda

true, I am not crazy about all of it.

But, I am sure he will not abuse the office like Bush has and the Democratic Senate will keep him in check, and he will even choose a moderate course to get things accomplished
I don't like even 5% of his agenda. He does nothing for students and doesn't even seem to recognize the reality of today's student situation. His record on women's issues that are important to me is beyond dismal. His behaviour re: Russia/Georgia made him look like a silly warmonger longing for the Cold War, and I don't even want to imagine the Iran situation.

That all seals the deal for me.

It is funny that you are full of HOPE about his appointments, his course of action, the Senate growing balls, and so on. All complete gambles that apparently don't bother you.

I have seen this McCain, he is not the same one as in 2000. I don't trust this one to choose a moderate course. Not one bit. So he can sell his newfound McCain to the far right, that is his prerogative.
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I am sorry, are you denying his association with Avery?


i'm denying that it means anything at all.
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I don't like even 5% of his agenda. He does nothing for students and doesn't even seem to recognize the reality of today's student situation. His record on women's issues that are important to me is beyond dismal. His behaviour re: Russia/Georgia made him look like a silly warmonger longing for the Cold War, and I don't even want to imagine the Iran situation.

That all seals the deal for me.

It is funny that you are full of HOPE about his appointments, his course of action, the Senate growing balls, and so on. All complete gambles that apparently don't bother you.

I have seen this McCain, he is not the same one as in 2000. I don't trust this one to choose a moderate course. Not one bit. So he can sell his newfound McCain to the far right, that is his prerogative.


yes, absolutely.
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