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Old 08-31-2008, 10:10 PM   #781
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Oh, so you were not looking to have a serious discussion about her qualifications or potentially her foreign policy thoughts....

It was a potshot...


i'll say it again.

there is no discussion to have about Palin's foreign policy thoughts because she hasn't expressed any. there's nothing on record.

what i am talking about is what the McCain campaign has demonstrated with this pick.

Palin was chosen because she was a female pro-life evangelical who had a personal story that would greatly appeal to the base of the Republican party.

this says to me that the McCain campaign has made a decision that's deeply unserious about the security of the country. and given the surprise that it took many people by, the choice was rash, a gamble. which speaks volumes about McCain's decision making.

it's difficult to discuss Palin because there's not much to discuss.

this has told us mountains about McCain.
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it should be very, very easy to prove that Palin is the mother, not the grandmother.

the fact that she had a baby at 44 who was born with DS was trotted out by the McCain campaign the day she was announced.

that is why this story begs any sort of verification.

this isn't swift boating. there are NO political ads on TV about this. there is no organization behind this. yet.

this is the internet, bloggers and the like, exercising their right to ask questions.
She should not have to prove shit. And it seriously disturbs me that anyone who is serious about this election would be bringing this up as a talking point.

What is much more pertinent to me would be Obama and what could potentially be viewed as his radical associates.....

from the church he has attended to his associations with the former weatherman....

A serious lack of judgement in my mind spanning a rather very long period of time.

That lack of judgement, makes me question, does his lack of inexperience, and open mind to extremist views, make him dangerous due to the fact that he may concede to much to people who threaten this country.
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My goodness, I hear John McCain is actually Trig's father. I mean if this pans out to be true, because it is out there on the web with so many viable sources...
How did you miss the obvious John Edwards joke?
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it should be very, very easy to prove that Palin is the mother, not the grandmother.

the fact that she had a baby at 44 who was born with DS was trotted out by the McCain campaign the day she was announced.

that is why this story begs any sort of verification.

this isn't swift boating. there are NO political ads on TV about this. there is no organization behind this. yet.

this is the internet, bloggers and the like, exercising their right to ask questions.
Could you repost the story, because it makes more sense for a woman at that age to have a child with a chromosomal disorder than the daughter.
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She should not have to prove shit. And it seriously disturbs me that anyone who is serious about this election would be bringing this up as a talking point.

What is much more pertinent to me would be Obama and what could potentially be viewed as his radical associates.....

from the church he has attended to his associations with the former weatherman....

A serious lack of judgement in my mind spanning a rather very long period of time.

That lack of judgement, makes me question, does his lack of inexperience, and open mind to extremist views, make him dangerous due to the fact that he may concede to much to people who threaten this country.





see, i think that the McCain campaign trotting out a candidate who's central narrative was the main reason for her pick and now that central narrative is false is a way, way bigger issue then whether or not Obama might have been in the same room with someone who blew up a building when he was 8 years old.

but, again, it's what the Palin pick says about McCain is what is so worrisome to me.
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i'll say it again.

there is no discussion to have about Palin's foreign policy thoughts because she hasn't expressed any. there's nothing on record.

what i am talking about is what the McCain campaign has demonstrated with this pick.

Palin was chosen because she was a female pro-life evangelical who had a personal story that would greatly appeal to the base of the Republican party.

this says to me that the McCain campaign has made a decision that's deeply unserious about the security of the country. and given the surprise that it took many people by, the choice was rash, a gamble. which speaks volumes about McCain's decision making.

it's difficult to discuss Palin because there's not much to discuss.

this has told us mountains about McCain.
But one can construe that she is more ready than Obama to be Commander in Chief. She most certainly has demonstrated through a trip over seas to visit with troops that she has an interest in them and their needs. And she did this before she was a twinkle in the eye of McCain.

But, maybe that does not count as foreign policy experience...

When did Obama go? Just curious?
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Could you repost the story, because it makes more sense for a woman at that age to have a child with a chromosomal disorder than the daughter.


Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]

again, as i've stated, these are internet blogger buzzings. there is no "story" as of yet.
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i'll say it again.

there is no discussion to have about Palin's foreign policy thoughts because she hasn't expressed any. there's nothing on record.

what i am talking about is what the McCain campaign has demonstrated with this pick.

Palin was chosen because she was a female pro-life evangelical who had a personal story that would greatly appeal to the base of the Republican party.

this says to me that the McCain campaign has made a decision that's deeply unserious about the security of the country. and given the surprise that it took many people by, the choice was rash, a gamble. which speaks volumes about McCain's decision making.

it's difficult to discuss Palin because there's not much to discuss.

this has told us mountains about McCain.
Say it again and again...why is it an issue...Biden was chosen for a reason. A+ for you to recognize it.

I guess my question is, should I as a voter vote for Obama, potentially a candidate as inexperienced as you are saying? Wouldn't that make me like McCain and make me guilty of:

a decision that's deeply unserious about the security of the country. and given the surprise that it took many people by, the choice was rash, a gamble. which speaks volumes about my decision making.
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How did you miss the obvious John Edwards joke?
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But one can construe that she is more ready than Obama to be Commander in Chief. She most certainly has demonstrated through a trip over seas to visit with troops that she has an interest in them and their needs. And she did this before she was a twinkle in the eye of McCain.

But, maybe that does not count as foreign policy experience...

When did Obama go? Just curious?


Obama first visited in January of 2006.

as i posted earlier, these trips or "fact-finding missions" are really just PR sessions. the real learning is done through research.

what did Palin tell us about her trip to Kuwait? what is her opinion on the withdrawal?
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Wouldn't that make his visit after he announced? So really he does not give a rats ass about the troops because he was running for President by then. Or do I have my dates off....

He waited two years to visit? Wow...what was he doing all those months.

I mean she was just elected Governor and cared enough to visit the troops for no reason?
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Say it again and again...why is it an issue...Biden was chosen for a reason. A+ for you to recognize it.

and if it turned out that the central reason for Biden turned out to be false?

and is it not true that the "central reason" for the Biden pick was to add foreign policy cred to Obama? and is it also not true that the "central reason" for the Palin pick was to pander to the Christianist base?

who would you rather have as your president making decisions?


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I guess my question is, should I as a voter vote for Obama, potentially a candidate as inexperienced as you are saying? Wouldn't that make me like McCain and make me guilty of:

a decision that's deeply unserious about the security of the country. and given the surprise that it took many people by, the choice was rash, a gamble. which speaks volumes about my decision making.

is there a difference between preparedness and experience?

also, we know what Obama thinks. we know what he believes. we know what he says he will do.

we know none of these things about Palin.

i think to equivocate between Palin and Obama is poor thinking.
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i'll say it again.

there is no discussion to have about Palin's foreign policy thoughts because she hasn't expressed any. there's nothing on record.

what i am talking about is what the McCain campaign has demonstrated with this pick.

Palin was chosen because she was a female pro-life evangelical who had a personal story that would greatly appeal to the base of the Republican party.

this says to me that the McCain campaign has made a decision that's deeply unserious about the security of the country. and given the surprise that it took many people by, the choice was rash, a gamble. which speaks volumes about McCain's decision making.

it's difficult to discuss Palin because there's not much to discuss.

this has told us mountains about McCain.
If you seriously think that this was a spur of the moment decision by McCain, rather than a decision made after all kinds of discussions involving probably hundreds of Republican strategists, policy wonks and PR experts, then you are kidding yourself.

Frankly, it's much more likely that McCain didn't even want someone like Palin on his ticket, but was convinced by his advisors.
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So should I take my chance on a Woman VP getting EXPERIENCE as a VP over Obama who is at the top of the ticket?

Seems like you have helped me change my mind. I may be safer with the inexperience on the VP end of things.
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Wouldn't that make his visit after he announced? So really he does not give a rats ass about the troops because he was running for President by then. Or do I have my dates off....

your dates are off. he announced in 2007.

he also is on record opposing the war, in a richly detailed speech that outlines a genuine foreign policy philosophy, in 2002.


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He waited two years to visit? Wow...what was he doing all those months.

being a Senator?

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I mean she was just elected Governor and cared enough to visit the troops for no reason?

then, please, show me where she's talked seriously about Iraq and about foreign policy in general.

as governor of Alaska, i wouldn't think it would be terribly relevant to her job. i don't blame her.

again, i am not digging on Palin.

i am digging on McCain.
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