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Old 08-29-2008, 04:28 PM   #721
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A special Democracy Corps and Greenberg Quinlan Rosner survey of Hispanic voters in Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada shows that Barack Obama holds a commanding lead among Latinos in the southwest. The Democratic nominee leads John McCain by 45 points and has a chance to perform better among Hispanic voters than any Democratic presidential candidate in recent history.

In the four southwestern states, he is running an average 10 points ahead of John Kerry’s share of the vote four years ago, while McCain receives only a bare majority of Bush’s 2004 Latino vote.
Should have picked a Hispanic woman?
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Should have picked a Hispanic woman?

If she didn't work out

she could have been deported.

















ignorance about race
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OK this made me laugh.

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Old 08-30-2008, 02:11 PM   #724
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orange was definitely best for contrast with the background.

day-to-day, i'd go with the grey/blue on the far left.
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Old 08-30-2008, 02:13 PM   #725
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YouTube - Gov. Sarah Palin on the Wooten scandal and VP

an awesome intervew with sarah palin where she says (at the 2:40 mark) that she doesn't even know what a VP does.
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She is right

a V P does nothing

except stay alive

in case the President is incapacitated.

It is in the Constitution.

(and Preside over the Senate in case of a 50/50 deadlock.)


The only portfolio the V P has is what the President assigns


ask Dan Quayle.


when the President is considered a "light weight" like W and Obama
the V P takes on more significance.
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orange was definitely best for contrast with the background.
that explains it
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It is interesting how context matters....
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She is right

a V P does nothing

except stay alive
Not according to Dick Cheney.
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The only portfolio the V P has is what the President assigns


ask Dan Quayle.


when the President is considered a "light weight" like W and Obama

the V P takes on more significance.
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:19 PM   #731
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I'm sorry but Cheney didn't "take on more significance" - he declared himself a separate arm of the government.

But keep at it with the silly overblown comparisons.
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Just doing some electoral college math...using delegate numbers from 2004.

Assuming Obama/Biden gets the following:

California 55
Oregon 7
Washington 11
Illinois 21
Wisconsin 10
Minnesota 9
Maine 4
New Hampshire 4
Vermont 3
Massachusetts 12
Rhode Island 4
Connecticut 7
New Jersey 15
New York 31
Delaware 3
Maryland 10
Hawaii 4
Michigan 17
Iowa 7
DC 3
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They would have 237 delegates.

Assuming McCain/Palin gets the following:

Kentucky 8
Tennessee 11
North Carolina 15
South Carolina 8
West Virginia 5
Georgia 15
Alabama 9
Mississippi 6
Lousiana 9
Arkansas 6
Missouri 11
Texas 34
Oklahoma 7
Kansas 6
Nebraska 5
South Dakota 3
North Dakota 3
Montana 3
Wyoming 3
Colorado 9
Utah 5
Arizona 10
New Mexico 5
Nevada 5
Idaho 4
Alaska 3
Indiana 11
____
They would have 219 delegates.

The score would be 237-219 with Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Florida still in play.

Ohio = 20 delegates
Pennsylvania = 21 delegates
Virginia = 13 delegates
Florida = 27 delegates

Obama/Biden has a sizable lead in Florida at the moment, a lesser lead in Pennsylvania, Virginia apparently is nearly tied, and Ohio is always a very narrow margin of victory regardless of who wins.

Mathematically, if Obama/Biden wins any two of those four states, they break the big 270 mark and win. All they have to do is split them. Considering they are leading two of them right now and more or less tied in the other two, this seems like a rather likely scenario.

Of course, you could say that Michigan isn't a sure thing for Obama/Biden(even though it went for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004), and moving its 17 delegates to McCain/Palin's column would effectively reverse the score and make it so THEY only need to split those last four to win, but I think Michigan is more likely to go Obama/Biden's way.

You could also say that Indiana might go Obama/Biden's way with its 11 delegates, in which case Florida's 27 delegates alone would put Obama/Biden over the top.

Just some thoughts.
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I don't think they have a lead in Florida, but they have a substantial lead in PA. I think PA is in the Dem column. That brings them to 258.

New Mexico looks blue to me. Colorado is a definite possible pick up, and Nevada may look better than Virginia depending on the day.
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I'm sorry but Cheney didn't "take on more significance" - he declared himself a separate arm of the government.

But keep at it with the silly overblown comparisons.
The V P selection took on more significance in 2000
only because W was considered not to be as qualified as Gore

There was no concerns with Bush 1, that is why he chose Quayle in 1988 and easily won.


Gore chose Lieberman because the concern was the tainting of the Monica Lewinsky affair.

Lieberman was the first Democrat to take th the Senate floor to loudly and unequivocally condemn Bill Clinton over the affair.

Again, the only portfolio Cheney has is what the President Bush assigns or permits, there are no other duties spelled out than what I previously listed.


do you think Obama chose Biden because he supported the "dumb war" in 2003?

or because he is one of the most senior Senators that will give him the needed gravitas?
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or because he is one of the most senior Senators that will give him the needed gravitas?
I think he chose him for many reasons.

This is one of them. But an even bigger reason in my mind is the populist profile that Biden has in the community, his Catholic roots to working class Pennsylvania and other similar voters is of great value. He appeals to a group of voters that aren't automatic Obama fans.

Why do you think McCain chose Palin?
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