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Old 08-22-2008, 04:25 PM   #511
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yes, McCain literally came back from the dead,
Um.... McCain literally came back from the dead?
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Old 08-22-2008, 04:27 PM   #512
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Um.... McCain literally came back from the dead?


dude, for real.
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Remember this?
One quote? A year-old at that, and at a point when McCain really was going nowhere fast?

Well, you've certainly convinced me.
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Old 08-23-2008, 03:46 AM   #514
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One quote? A year-old at that, and at a point when McCain really was going nowhere fast?

Well, you've certainly convinced me.

Well, I was told to show that there was more than ONE person who essentially stated that this election was not going to be close. I've posted not one, but two qoutes by two different people, do you really need anymore to show that there is actually more than one person who thinks the election is not going to be close?
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:24 AM   #515
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Basically, the previous statement by Strongbow, which I agreed with, has already been completely vindicated. Several - i.e., more than two - FYM posters on various occasions stated their view that McCain had no chance against Obama, and this has already been proven.

Now, in addition to the two posters who have written off McCain's chance in the election itself, it is fairly clear that Anitram, though she may not have SPECIFICALLY stated that McCain made no chance against Obama, clearly wrote McCain off at a much earlier stage in the process (as did an awful lot of people, to be fair) which is why I find it rather surprising that Anitram would join the chorus demanding evidence of FYM's having written off McCain.
Well if you are happy with that weak evidence(a drive by and a primary comment) then so be it.
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Well, I was told to show that there was more than ONE person who essentially stated that this election was not going to be close. I've posted not one, but two qoutes by two different people, do you really need anymore to show that there is actually more than one person who thinks the election is not going to be close?
If you think your evidence is compelling you're mistaken. anitram made that comment in March '07 - when the field of candidates was considerably larger, before any of the major debates, and during a period where it was widely acknowledged that McCain's campaign had hit a rough patch and was floundering a bit. On the democratic side, things were still very close between the candidates, with perhaps Obama and Clinton slightly ahead of Edwards but without any clear consensus as to who would come out on top.

So how you take her comment as a prediction that Obama would win in a landslide is beyond me.
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So how you take her comment as a prediction that Obama would win in a landslide is beyond me.


and yet, in the context of posts on other subjects where there's endless repetition and zero analysis, are you surprised?
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On a frozen winter evening at a Town Hall meeting in a school in the Manchester, N.H., suburbs, John McCain expressed surprise and irritation with an intelligence report downplaying the threat of Iran's nuclear program.

It seemed at the time to be an odd thing to say about a Muslim country. After all, even if there were no nuclear program, no oil, and no rabble-rousing president, Iran still wouldn't have Judeo-Christian values. And it's troubling to wonder if that alone would be a reason for suspicion.

Even President Bush has resisted framing the war on terrorism as a clash of religions; his inexpert use of the word "crusade" early in the conflict set off a wave of criticism and backtracking. He's never repeated it.

Perhaps McCain's comment was a similar mistake.

But on Saturday, at the nationally televised forum at evangelist Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in California, McCain declared: "Our Judeo-Christian principles dictate that we do what we can to help people who are oppressed throughout the world."

And a review of online records by the Globe library shows that McCain uses the term "Judeo-Christian values" quite often, and in varying contexts. For example, last week in York, Pa., he praised small-town Americans by saying, "The Judeo-Christian values that they hold are the strength of America."

He has also repeatedly urged that illegal immigrants be treated in a manner "consistent with Judeo-Christian values." In February, he declared that job training was a Judeo-Christian imperative.

"We've got to educate and train these people," he said, referring to laid-off workers. "It is a Judeo-Christian values nation and it's an obligation we have and we are not doing it."

Last year, when he was criticized for telling the website Beliefnet that America was founded on Christian principles, McCain's defense was that he meant to say "Judeo-Christian." (When pressed, he said he believes a Muslim could serve as president.)

The term Judeo-Christian has a benign history. It was popularized by liberal groups in the 1920s and 1930s to forestall anti-Semitism. It has come to describe the underpinnings of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. McCain, who rarely talks about his personal faith and has disdained the religious right, often uses the term as a synonym for "American values."

But when discussing foreign policy, his use of the term can be glaring.

McCain's view of American power harkens back to the World War II era, when the United States held the moral high ground as liberator. He is a staunch interventionist, both on humanitarian and national-security grounds.

To most of the world, especially in Muslim nations, there is an enormous difference between standing up for freedom and standing up for Judeo-Christian values, but McCain conflates the two. And sometimes, his use of the term seems more than accidental.

"This just wasn't the elimination of a threat to Iraq - this was elimination of a threat to the West, part of this titanic struggle we are in between western Judeo-Christian values and principles and Islamic extremists," McCain said in 2006, after the killing of Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

"The number one issue people should make [in the] selection of the president of the United States is, 'Will this person carry on in the Judeo-Christian principled tradition that has made this nation the greatest experiment in the history of mankind?' " he told Beliefnet last year.

On Saturday, in arguing for a strong defense of Georgia in its struggles with Russia, McCain twice noted that Georgia is a Christian nation - perhaps to distinguish it from other crumbling pieces of the former Soviet Union that are Muslim, such as Chechnya and Azerbaijan.

Such comments may pass unnoticed by most American voters and may be reassuring to some religious Christians and Jews. They may even go over well with some secular Americans who are pleased that he is using more inclusive language than some members of the religious right.

But his repeated invocation of "Judeo-Christian values" is sure to stick in the ears of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and people of other non-Christian, non-Jewish faiths. And they're sure to be asking themselves: Just what is McCain trying to tell us?
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CARDIFF, Wales - Even at 50, the queen of pop just can't stop courting controversy.

As Madonna kicked off her international "Sticky and Sweet" tour Saturday night, she took a none-too subtle swipe at the presumptive Republican nominee for U.S. president.

Amid a four-act show at Cardiff's packed Millennium Stadium, a video interlude carried images of destruction, global warming, Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, Zimbabwe's authoritarian President Robert Mugabe — and U.S. Sen. John McCain. Another sequence, shown later, pictured slain Beatle John Lennon, followed by climate activist Al Gore, Mahatma Gandhi and finally McCain's Democratic rival, Barack Obama.
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On July 7, at a town hall meeting in Denver, a Vietnam veteran confronted John McCain about his support of veterans' issues.
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"I have a perfect voting record from organizations like the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion and all the other veterans service organizations," responded McCain.

Although this sounds good, it is inaccurate and misleading. The VFW and American Legion do not compile congressional voting records, and other veterans' organizations that do compile records aren't favorable.

Disabled American Veterans is an organization that was founded following World War I, and today has 1.4 million members.

It not only tracks this legislation, but tracks how politicians vote. John McCain is documented as having voted with DAV-supported legislation 34 percent of the time. Barack Obama has voted with the DAV 89 percent of the time.


Another organization that tracks legislation important to veterans is Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the first and largest organization dedicated to those who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

IAVA is only concerned with bettering the lives of returning veterans, and advocating for their rights. Its records show McCain voting with IAVA 58 percent of the time, and receiving a "D" rating. Obama voted with IAVA 89 percent of the time, receiving a "B-plus" rating.
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Well, I was told to show that there was more than ONE person who essentially stated that this election was not going to be close. I've posted not one, but two qoutes by two different people, do you really need anymore to show that there is actually more than one person who thinks the election is not going to be close?
Your logical reasoning is an absolute failure. Seriously how you made that leap is beyond me. I actually think you contorting yourself in this manner is hilarious! At least financeguy understood the context of the primaries.
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Are you familiar with the properties?

For their worth, their real estate portfolio if not very impressive at all.

And again, the McCains, ( especially John ) do not live an extravagant lifestyles at all.
i realize this is a few days old, but i've gotta say, deep, you've really jumped the shark on this whole election thing. not impressive relative to their worth? assuming "assessed" values are equivalent to market values (which i doubt), the mccain's properties are likely worth well over $13M. $13M. i don't give a damn what their total worth is. they own over $13M in real estate... that is impressive! what percentage of voters own $13M in real estate? i'd love to see that stat! your rationalization for supporting mccain is reaching epic proportions at this point.

a condo in phoenix, a "compound" in sedona, a couple of condos in southern california, and a condo in alrington (plus properties owned but occupied by others) is not extravagant? what then, pray tell, is an extravagant lifestyle? i'd really like to know. it must include $500 shoes. it must!
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i realize this is a few days old, but i've gotta say, deep, you've really jumped the shark on this whole election thing. not impressive relative to their worth?
Perhaps you are one of the few Obama supporters that do not know much about Cindy McCain's family background.
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Perhaps you are one of the few Obama supporters that do not know much about Cindy McCain's family background.
Way to miss his point.
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