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Old 08-22-2008, 02:54 PM   #496
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What's scary is that most Americans will fall for this type of crap.
what is absolutely ridiculous is that some people, and yes I will say people posting in this forum,
seem to have the attitude that having, earning and inheriting money is something distasteful of which one should be ashamed


ill-gotten gains, sure
questionable gifts, donations, business practices, sure

everyone knows Cindy McCain inherited a boat load from her father.

John and Cindy McCain live a lifestyle far below what many people with their kind of money live

and John McCain has lived a life of service, no one will dispute that, especially Obama, he knows McCain is untouchable on that topic.
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:03 PM   #497
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Okay, who are these multiple posters? I have asked this question before and even STING himself said he was only referring to Irvine.

So let's back it up boys.

Granted, this was about the primaries rather than the specific issue of McCain vs Obama, but still:-

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McCain is DOA. What a sad, pathetic ending, honestly. And he has nobody to blame but himself. The man stands for absolutely nothing anymore.
http://forum.interference.com/f199/m...ml#post4374023


Incidentally, and I only noticed this when searching your posts, you have a consistent record of ageist comments against McCain.

Are you prejudiced against elderly white men? Just curious.
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what is absolutely ridiculous is that some people, and yes I will say people posting in this forum,
seem to have the attitude that having, earning and inheriting money is something distasteful of which one should be ashamed


I can't think of one, but no doubt some will twist it that way...
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:30 PM   #499
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Well I knew you wouldn't be able to find anything that backed up your previous statement...


But this is ridiculous:

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Incidentally, and I only noticed this when searching your posts, you have a consistent record of ageist comments against McCain.

Are you prejudiced against elderly white men? Just curious.
You claim she makes agesit comments(which is of some concern when you are talking about the leader of the US) but then why add the "white men" comment? You're always making that stretch aren't you?
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Having money isn't bad at all. It's an unreasonable standard in politics anyways, everyone's rich.

Having a hundred million dollar fortune and living a lifestyle extravagant enough to own surplus homes as "investment properties", all the while blasting your opponent as "elitist" for the crime of worrying about food prices and visiting his family in (middle class destination!) Hawaii is pure hypocrisy.

Oh yeah, Cindy and John McCain met and honeymooned in Hawaii.
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Well I knew you wouldn't be able to find anything that backed up your previous statement...
You are like the village schoolmaster in the poem 'The Deserted Village' by Oliver Goldsmith:- "For e'en though vanquished, he could argue still."

Basically, the previous statement by Strongbow, which I agreed with, has already been completely vindicated. Several - i.e., more than two - FYM posters on various occasions stated their view that McCain had no chance against Obama, and this has already been proven.

Now, in addition to the two posters who have written off McCain's chance in the election itself, it is fairly clear that Anitram, though she may not have SPECIFICALLY stated that McCain made no chance against Obama, clearly wrote McCain off at a much earlier stage in the process (as did an awful lot of people, to be fair) which is why I find it rather surprising that Anitram would join the chorus demanding evidence of FYM's having written off McCain.
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I don't see that finding more then two FYM posters over the course of two years say a particular thing is particularly meaningful or suggesting of a general consensus.
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Having a couple hundred million dollar fortune and living a lifestyle extravagant enough to own surplus homes as "investment properties", all the while blasting your opponent as "elitist" for the crime of worrying about food prices and visiting his family in (middle class destination!) Hawaii is pure hypocrisy.


Are you familiar with the properties?

For their worth, their real estate portfolio if not very impressive at all.

And again, the McCains, ( especially John ) do not live an extravagant lifestyles at all.

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When in Washington, the McCains live in a modern three-bedroom condominium in a high-rise in Arlington, across the Potomac River in Virginia. It is assessed at $847,800.

In Arizona, the McCains lived until several years ago in Cindy McCain's childhood home in Phoenix, which was featured in the glossy pages of Architectural Digest in 2005. They sold it soon after and moved into a $4.7-million condominium in Phoenix.

The McCains spend weekends, if possible, in the remote rolling hills of Sedona. Their 15-acre compound features a modest residence and several guest cabins beside a creek sheltered in a verdant box canyon. The assessed value is $1.6 million.

The McCains also spent $4.7 million to buy two beachfront condos near the posh Hotel del Coronado in San Diego County.

In an interview with Vogue magazine, Cindy McCain confessed that her husband, who has suffered from skin cancer and must avoid the sun, wasn't initially in favor of buying oceanfront property.

"When I bought the first one, my husband, who is not a beach person, said, 'Oh, this is such a waste of money; the kids will never go,' " she said. "Then it got to the point where they used it so much I couldn't get in the place. So I bought another one."

A McCain campaign spokesman did not immediately respond to an e-mail request for the number of rental and investment properties Cindy McCain and her children own through trusts and partnerships.

One such trust owns a two-bedroom condominium in La Jolla, where Cindy McCain's aunt lives, according to the campaign.

In 2007, another family trust owned by Cindy McCain purchased a $700,000 condo in a Phoenix loft building, apparently for the McCains' adult daughter, Meghan.

The same trust bought a third Phoenix condo for $830,000 two months later.
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You are like the village schoolmaster in the poem 'The Deserted Village' by Oliver Goldsmith:- "For e'en though vanquished, he could argue still."

Basically, the previous statement by Strongbow, which I agreed with, has already been completely vindicated. Several - i.e., more than two - FYM posters on various occasions stated their view that McCain had no chance against Obama, and this has already been proven.

Now, in addition to the two posters who have written off McCain's chance in the election itself, it is fairly clear that Anitram, though she may not have SPECIFICALLY stated that McCain made no chance against Obama, clearly wrote McCain off at a much earlier stage in the process (as did an awful lot of people, to be fair) which is why I find it rather surprising that Anitram would join the chorus demanding evidence of FYM's having written off McCain.


you realize that EVERYONE thought McCain had no shot in 2007, but before that he was the undisputed front runner? that, yes, McCain literally came back from the dead, probably because of the Bhutto assassination and the fact that the rest of the GOP candidates were walking nightmares? it was not a remotely unreasonable position to have called McCain DOA all those many months ago, and her second point still stands, and has been doubly proved by his vacuous campaign run by the very men he said would burn in hell for what they did to his family in the South Carolina primaries in 2000.

McCain stands for nothing beyond McCain.

as for Obama winning in a landslide/McCain having no chance, gosh, the polls tighten for one week, and everyone's now declaring Obama lost? he still has enormous advantages and, yes, will likely win. but EVERYONE has qualified their predictions, EVERYONE has offered nuances, and EVERYONE knows that nothing is for certain in politics.

after all, John Ashcroft lost to a dead man and then was named Attorney General.

stranger things have happened.

this triumphalism is silly.
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Are you familiar with the properties?

For their worth, their real estate portfolio if not very impressive at all.

And again, the McCains, ( especially John ) do not live an extravagant lifestyles at all.


no one is saying that the McCains live like hedge fund kids.

what they are saying is that accusations of Obama -- an african american kid of a mother who was abandoned by his father who grew up in hawaii and was on food stamps who won a scholarship to the most prestigious private school in Honolulu and then went to Columbia and Harvard and then didn't get a big 6-figure job and instead worked with poor people in Chicago -- is somehow a bigger "elitist" than John McCain because Obama mentions arugula and berry tea is complete and utter bullshit.

as is the entire McCain campaign. it's shocking how vacuous it is.
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He said that like yesterday - you were making these claims weeks ago, remember.

GAF is hardly a poster in FYM in any case. Talk about a drive-by post. So this is all?

Remember this?


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Remember this:


do you really want people to go around digging up your old quotes from 2006/7?
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I don't see that finding more then two FYM posters over the course of two years say a particular thing is particularly meaningful or suggesting of a general consensus.
No one is claiming that it is. I just said that there has been more than one person in here to claim that the election would not be close. Then some people got all excited and wanted proof of such an outrageous claim.
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Are you familiar with the properties?

For their worth, their real estate portfolio if not very impressive at all.

And again, the McCains, ( especially John ) do not live an extravagant lifestyles at all.
I guess in a relative sense to the overall wealth, that's true. Still, seeing multiple houses with "million" in the price tag catches the eye. Obama's single home was bought for $1.65 million, FWIW.

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"Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?
McCain has either done all of these things or done them on a bigger scale. But these make Obama out of touch?
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do you really want people to go around digging up your old quotes from 2006/7?
I was told to dig it up, remember?
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