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Old 07-28-2008, 04:30 PM   #31
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seriously, what the fuck?

this is so, so weak.
Agreed. Everyone is going to commit gaffes if they're up on stage day after day, night after night. It happens to everyone - McCain has certainly had his share. To claim he can't string 2 words together is just about the most pathetic claim I've ever heard in reference to Obama.
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and MT into competitive races.
Yeah, election campaigning in my host state!
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Actually, I could easily see a McCain electoral victory with a magin of defeat greater than Kerry's defeat in the popular vote in 2004. The African American vote will be the highest its ever been in many southern States, but will not be enough to win any of them. Add that with some very close McCain victories in swing states, and McCain could be President despite Obama winning with as much as a 4 percent margin in the popular vote.

Then there is the 269 to 269 tie senerio which could happen for the first time this year, given certain swing states and who is likely to win in them.


A tie?

Really?

I guess we would have to go for a "jump ball" ?

Would that be fair?

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What would the "procedure" be like if a tie happened?
I know how in socialist Germany that would be done, but in the US...?
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The Supreme Court that Bush appointed would select McCain.














just kidding
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Are you sure you are kidding? I sincerely hope so.
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A tie?

Really?

I guess we would have to go for a "jump ball" ?

Would that be fair?



they should settle it like men.

with a game of H-O-R-S-E.
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Agreed. Everyone is going to commit gaffes if they're up on stage day after day, night after night. It happens to everyone - McCain has certainly had his share. To claim he can't string 2 words together is just about the most pathetic claim I've ever heard in reference to Obama.


what we're getting in this thread is a parroting of one specific line of attack that's bouncing around the right wing blogosphere/echo chamber (from Rush to Michelle Malkin to Glen Beck) -- that Obama is prone to "gaffes," thus underscoring how he's a novice who doesn't know anything about anything.

the reality is that he's probably less gaffe prone than most other major politicians, but this line of attack has been approved of and disseminated amongst the right wing shock troops.
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What would the "procedure" be like if a tie happened?
I know how in socialist Germany that would be done, but in the US...?
If there is a tie, then it jumps to the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives. Obama FTW.

I don't think this has happened since the 1800s, although that was the original goal for most elections when the Constitution was drafted in the 1700s.

Obama's committed gaffes and Bush has committed gaffes, but I think one key to understanding the difference is that Bush gives out nicknames like "Turd Blossom" to his close aides and friends. There's a general frat demeanor to Bush. (And I think that's something he's tried to cultivate also. Not an "intellectual", but just a good boy from Texas with a ranch)
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Bullcrap. Can I have an example? I have yet to see you criticize him, and everyone in here has tossed aside ANY criticism of him,
This is such crap! As you've surely read a few others have already posted their criticisms of Obama and I'll post my own, provided you can do the same for McCain/Bush. The first rule of someone who is actually engaged in critical thinking is that is an ability to critique your own position. You have shown yourself completely incapable of--or more likely, unwilling--doing so. I don't know how you and folks like Sting can expect to be taken remotely seriously if you can't demonstrate even a little bit of criticism of your "party line."

As to Obama winning in a landslide. . .I'm still not certain that he'll win at all.
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Not necessarily. But the constant Bush-McCain references are low, and I don't think the intelligent voters will fall for it given the numerous differences between the two. If that's the best that the Dems can do, they might be in trouble.

You mean voters who say things like this:

Kathie Steigerwald, a Dearborn, Michigan businesswoman who said she voted for Hillary Clinton but now plans to support McCain, offered an especially succinct recital of a narrative on which other interviewees offered numerous variations:

"I feel John McCain is a true American and I want to support a true American," she said.

But isn't Obama a "true American?" she was asked.

"I don't know," she said after a measured pause. "I question it."

Why?

"I don't know—maybe because of his name?"


Maybe this makes me an elitist but this kind of reasoning is just plain stupid, and the people who vote based on this are just plain stupid.
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what we're getting in this thread is a parroting of one specific line of attack that's bouncing around the right wing blogosphere/echo chamber (from Rush to Michelle Malkin to Glen Beck) -- that Obama is prone to "gaffes," thus underscoring how he's a novice who doesn't know anything about anything.

That's exactly what this is. These guys have been blindly defending a man for eight years that has come off as one of the least intelligent presidents we've ever had, and I'm sure many have been secretly embarassed about this, but they couldn't really do anything about it. So they've been gathering up everything they can and they talk about them over and over, looping these soundbytes, so their audience goes from "well the only reason he will get elected is he's very well spoken black man", to "this guy's a moron". The audiences are like puddy in these guys hands. It's actually quite funny. You can hear it in their callers.
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If there is a tie, then it jumps to the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives. Obama FTW.

I don't think this has happened since the 1800s, although that was the original goal for most elections when the Constitution was drafted in the 1700s.
Interesting, didn't know that. So McCain should make damn sure that it's gonna be 270 at least, though I guess it will be all but a tie anyways.
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what we're getting in this thread is a parroting of one specific line of attack that's bouncing around the right wing blogosphere/echo chamber (from Rush to Michelle Malkin to Glen Beck) -- that Obama is prone to "gaffes," thus underscoring how he's a novice who doesn't know anything about anything.

the reality is that he's probably less gaffe prone than most other major politicians, but this line of attack has been approved of and disseminated amongst the right wing shock troops.
That you think the right blogosphere stretches from Rush to Malkin shows a nice huge blind spot.
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You have shown yourself completely incapable of--or more likely, unwilling--doing so. I don't know how you and folks like Sting can expect to be taken remotely seriously if you can't demonstrate even a little bit of criticism of your "party line."
Despite this being a forum with only a small number of Bush supporters and there are threads with multiple posts expressing only one side of a political debate, several of the Bush supporters including myself have expressed views that are not in line with the mainstream views of the Republican Party. I support gun control laws similar to those in the United Kingdom and Ireland, I actually agree more with Obama on Tax policy than I do McCain, have positions on immigration that are more in line with most Democrats than Republicans, support Universal Health Care, and agree with the Democrats more than the Republicans on several social issues.
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